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Post by AP Singh on Feb 23, 2010 13:10:54 GMT 5.5
hi A. harshana my self yatender nagar and i want to know about nangdi or nagar gurjars and i read ur posts in which u are writting about rawal udai singh nangri of nagda(udaipur) which face the Babar, is there any written information or book available for this or not. please reply Dear Yatender, Please read the Point number 1, which clearly states that the descendents of Rana Sanga were not ruling Mewar region, a part of larger Bagar region ( named after Bajjad Gotra of Gujjars and having its capital at Nagda, present day Udaipur, the capital of Udai Singh Nagari).Point 2 is taken from a french translation of Babarnana. In India word Nagari is deliberately removed from all the translations of babarnama to facilitate of stealing of Gujjar history.There can not be a better attested proof of Nagari Gujjars ruling Bagar region at the time of invasion of Babar. 1.THE AIN I AKBARI BY ABUL FAZL 'ALLAMI (ri, Volume 2, chpt. 167 ) confirms the facts that these Gujjar territories were later ruled the Seesodias, the clan to Sanga belonged.
See the text from the book:In the vicinity of Mórá and Mangréj is a state called Pal through which runs the river Mahendri towards the Gujarát side. It has a separate ruler who resides at Dúngarpúr. On the Málwah side is Bánswálah (Bánswára) and that too has a separate chief. Each of them has a force of 5,000 horse and 10,000 foot, and both are of the Sesódiah clan. The rulers were of the Ráná's family, but for some time past it has been otherwise. 2.The Memoirs of Babur, Volume 2The troops that were directly under his command were disposed in the following manner: Salâh ud dîn, Governor of Raisen and Sârangpûr, was in possession of a territory that could furnish 30,000 horsemen; Râwal Udai Singh Nâgari had 12,000 horsemen; Hasan Khan Mewâti, Governor of Mewât, 12,000; Bahâdur Hemladuri, 4,000; Sattervi Kachji, 6,000; the Governor of Barmul, Parm-Deo, and Mirta, 4,000; Birsingh Deo Jehân, 4,000; Mahmûd Khan, son of ... ... remainder, becoming a prey to confusion, were scattered about the plain like grains of sand. Hasan Khan Mewâti, who had been hit by a matchlock ball, was brought down and killed. Many persons of note among the infidels, such as Rawal Udai Singh, Mânikchand Chauhân, Rai Chanderbhân, Dilbes Rai, Gangûr, and Gûren Singh, blocked with their corpses the road of destruction, while thousands of the baser sort were trampled under our horses’ hoofs. [N.B.—I have thought it advisable to omit ... The Memoirs of Babur, Volume 2, chpt. 63 ... ten infidels, who, unlike the ten blessed, unfolded the misery-freighted banners, which mark them out for futuretorment and wailing, possessed many dependants and armies, and wide-extended pergannas. As, for instance, Silâhed-dîn possessed thirty thousand horse; Râwal Ûdai Sing Nâgari, ten thousand horse; Medini Rai, ten thousand; Hassan Khan Mewâti, twelve thousand horse; Bârmal Îdari, four thousand horse; Narpat Hâda, seven thousand; Sattervi Kachi, six thousand; Dharm Deo, ... The Memoirs of Babur, Volume 2, chpt. 65 ... their heads. Hassan Khan Mewâti was enrolled in the band of the dead by a matchlock shot, and in like manner many of these bewildered and misled rebels, the leaders of that army, were struck by arrows or musket-shot, and closed their lives; of the number, Râwal Udai Sing, before named, who was Prince (Wali) of the country of Udaipûr, and had twelve thousand horse; and Rai Chanderbhân Chuhân, who had four thousand horse, and Mânikchand Chuhân, and Dilpat Rai, who were masters of four thousand horse, and Gangû, and Karm ... |
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Post by AP Singh on Feb 23, 2010 13:28:26 GMT 5.5
One may find more places ruled by the Nagara Gujjars as follows:
1. Nangarhar ( The capital of Bajaur region, named after Bajjad Gujjars and Nagara Gujjars are part of Varajjar Gotra as per the Gwalior inscription of Gurjar Samrat Mihir Bhoja Mahan).
2. Nagarkot ( The old name of Kangda) was one more Gujjar Nagara capital during Gujjar Pratihar Empire. Nagarakhand of Skandpurana is dedicated to this Teerth ( Holy Place) of Gujjars. This place was looted and destroyed by Gazni.
3. Mathura was the Gujjar Nagara capital during Gujjar Kushans.
The Gujjar Kushans had three capitals at the times of Kaniska the Great.
(i) Peshwar was the main capital, under control of Porshwar ( Poshwal Gujjars).
(ii) Mathura was the Winter Capital under the control of Nagara Gujjars. Present day Tajmahal in Agra ( called Agrahara, a place of worship, whose complete revenue was given to Shiva Temple only) was a Shiva temple built during Gujjar Kushans. Later it was a special place of worship of lord Shiva by Gujjar Emperor Mihir Bhoja the Great.
(iii) Samarkand ( in Central Asia) was the summer Capital.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 23, 2010 21:48:22 GMT 5.5
very informative posts AP Singh Ji, Kudos
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 26, 2010 9:24:47 GMT 5.5
This wiki article is talking about Gujjars, but only a few can realise that: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chowdurand to be specific, Turki has a numerous Gujjar population, a lot of people over there use the last name gujer. |
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 26, 2010 9:28:12 GMT 5.5
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Post by AP Singh on Feb 26, 2010 12:43:36 GMT 5.5
Not only that you will also find many names of Central Asian tribes in Gojari language. For example work "Uzbak" in Gojari is invariably used for the people who bye a fight even with a slight instigation. This word is used for "Uzbeks" and might have been added to Gojari language when Gujjar were rulers of Central asia during Gujjar Kushan Empire. Babar was from Uzbekistan but not Uzbek. From father side he was a Tatar ( probably variation of Tochars, used for Yuechis or Gujjars) and mother side from Mongol. I have heard many times by many people in Gujjar villages using this word like " Bada Uzbak hai" for the mischievious people and specially for children. |
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Post by VIKRAM PANWAR on Feb 28, 2010 21:04:40 GMT 5.5
Dear AP Singh & Ashok ! Please clear that Munnan/Mundan/Monan are same or not. I read in your post that Parmars were the off shoots of Chap Gujjar Dynasty which itself was was an off shoot of Chuhan clan. but Rana Ali Hassan chuhan wrote in his book that Munnan/Mundan is the race of Raja Mond Rai (879 to 911) who was from Bhattia/Bhaati/Bhatti family. His appellation was "RAWAL". His children was knows as Mondan/Mundan Rawal. Rana Ali Hassan claimed that this generation is known as "MONAN" AP G ! My grandfather told me that we are the race of "JUG DEV" I read about two persons (1) Jug dev of Dhara Nagri in the period of Sudhe Raj (Ruler of Gujrat) (2) Jug Dev ruler of Kashmir (1190 to 1204) Please explain ........ With Regards Azeem Gujjar Faisalabad |
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Post by CHAUHAN on Mar 2, 2010 1:09:31 GMT 5.5
hiiiiii harshana bro. i wanna kno abt my deleted threads(1)-hansrajhans.....................- i was waiting for reply of harsh bro nd...(2)gujjars marrying in lowest cast........
can i kno the reason plz, i also send mail on ur gmail nd yahoo id but u didnt reply.
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 2, 2010 12:14:43 GMT 5.5
Dear AP Singh & Ashok ! AP G ! My grandfather told me that we are the race of "JUG DEV" I read about two persons
(1) Jug dev of Dhara Nagri in the period of Sudhe Raj (Ruler of Gujrat) (2) Jug Dev ruler of Kashmir (1190 to 1204) Azeem Gujjar Faisalabad
Your grandfather seems to right. Jugdev played a prominent role during the rule of Sidhhe Raj Jai Singh who was a Gujjar Solanki king having Imperial sway over a very large area including Ajmer of Kujjar Chauhans."Siddheraj" is an epic written my Maithili Sharan Gupta who was also a National Poet of India and the state of Uttar Pradesh is part of curricula of Hindi subject at Intermedaite Level of Education. Jugdev is reffered prominently at many places in this book . My village also have a Mundan or Munnan Population and they write Panwar surname as their title. This also confirm the fact the Jugdev of Dhara Nagari was a Munnan Gujjar. During the rule of Gujjar Solanki kings Siddhe Raj jai Singh and Kumar Pal Solanki the Gujjar Chauhans of Ajmer and Gujjar parmar of Dhara ( Ujjain) became the fuedatories of Gujjar Solanki of Gujarat Patan. This also confirms the version told to you by your grand Father.Regards. AP Singh |
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 2, 2010 12:25:22 GMT 5.5
Dear Azeem,
Your grandfather seems to right. Jugdev played a prominent role during the rule of Sidhhe Raj Jai Singh who was a Gujjar Solanki king having Imperial sway over a very large area including Ajmer of Kujjar Chauhans."Siddheraj" is an epic written my Maithili Sharan Gupta who was also a National Poet of India . This book in the state of Uttar Pradesh is part of curricula of Hindi subject at Intermedaite Level of Education. Jugdev is reffered prominently at many places in this book . My village also have a Mundan or Munnan Population and they write Panwar surname as their title. This also confirm the fact the Jugdev of Dhara Nagari was a Munnan Gujjar. During the rule of Gujjar Solanki kings Siddhe Raj jai Singh and Kumar Pal Solanki the Gujjar Chauhans of Ajmer and Gujjar parmar of Dhara ( Ujjain) became the fuedatories of Gujjar Solanki of Gujarat Patan. This also confirms the version told to you by your grand Father.Regards. AP Singh These facts also confirms my earlier guess that Mundan Gujjars or Munnan Gujjars were rulers of Mandu. Mandu fort was part of Ujjain or Dhara during the rule of Gujjar Parmars. Hence Munnan gotra of Gujjars must be named af Rulers of Mandu or Mundan or Munnan. You may read about the fort built by your ancestors at link below and also can see the images at Google images. Mandu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Mandu, Madhya Pradesh, a ruined city in Dhar district, Madhya Pradesh, India · Mandu, ... Mandu (dumpling), a type of filled dumplings in Korean cuisine. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandu - Cached - Similar |
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