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Post by mihiryatender on Mar 5, 2010 22:46:39 GMT 5.5
ram ram bhai logo , i have also a relationship with mundan gurjars. as i read ur last posts , i think that mundan and Mandar gotra is different. mandar is a subtitle of panwar(parmar) gotra of mandu region , their is a village in greater noida named 'samduenpur' near ajayabpur railway station in which mundan gurjars are reside. I am trying to know from mundan gurjar that they have marrige relationship between mandars or not. this will be prove that mundan and mandar are same or not.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 5, 2010 23:50:07 GMT 5.5
Mandhar Gujjars are certainly different from Munnan Gujjars. mandhar Gujjars ruled Mandore (near Jodhpur). Mandhars are better known as Mandorwal (mandorwar, Mandorwa). Its a branch of pratihars which ruled Mandore en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MandoreEven after we know that they were the branch of Pratihars (who were from Salumbare family of Chap gurjar clan (tomars)), there must be a relation between Mandhars and Parmars (pawars). wikimapia.org/6552299/MandharDevi-MandirBabarnama also talks a lot about Rebelling Mandhars of Delhi. Babar was said to had put around 20000 Gujar mandhars to death due to their constant dissent with babar. www.scribd.com/doc/17605876/Babur-the-Tiger-First-of-the-Great-Moguls |
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Post by Singh on Mar 8, 2010 1:07:47 GMT 5.5
I have also heard that Gurjars of Mundan gotra call themselves Panwar .
And also that Mundan don't marry in khubad Gotra( pls correct me if spelling is wrong) cause they are same.
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Post by Singh on Mar 8, 2010 1:18:16 GMT 5.5
Bhai Ashok there is something interesting in this link u have given ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandore.. the line which I am talking is .. "In 1395 AD, a Mohil princess of the Parihar rulers of Mandore " well I am curious about the word MOHIL I think this is also a gotra in gujjar or it is quite similar word to the rare gotra of gujjar Mohali or Mahali .. do u heard about this gotra ..I had few times. |
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 8, 2010 12:29:44 GMT 5.5
Bhai Ashok there is something interesting in this link u have given ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandore.. the line which I am talking is .. "In 1395 AD, a Mohil princess of the Parihar rulers of Mandore " well I am curious about the word MOHIL I think this is also a gotra in gujjar or it is quite similar word to the rare gotra of gujjar Mohali or Mahali .. do u heard about this gotra ..I had few times. Dear Mr.Singh, Mohil Gotra of Gujjars is much older than 1395 AD. Multan is named after this celebrated Gotra of Gujjars as Meelu+sthan= Mulsthan or Multan. Since Multan was part of Gujjar Empire only during the Golden period of the History of india , i,e,. the Gujjar Kashana period , the Meelu Gotra of Gujjars is as old as Kasana, Khatana, Bokkan, Huns or Chechis ( rulers of Cherchan, Chechnya and Chach khand i,e. Tashkent). Rana Ali Chauhan has written that Chauhan and Meelus belong to the same group of Gujjar gotra and hence should be part of Chechis. Brigadier Kuldeep Singh Chandpuri, A Great war hero of 1971 war, on whose life the film Border is made belong to this celebrated Gotra of Gujjars. |
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Post by Singh on Mar 8, 2010 14:45:47 GMT 5.5
That is interesting...
So Mohil is similar to Mahali ( or Mohali) what is your view on that.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 8, 2010 19:11:43 GMT 5.5
Mohil or Mohile or Mahal or Mahil or Mahilu (simplified as Meelu) are one and the same Gotra of Gujjars. The Jat gotras "mahilwal" and "mahilawat" have definitely some connection with this famous Gujjar gotra. Moreover there is a place in Sindh with this name: www.maplandia.com/pakistan/sind/shikarpur/mohil/One more thing I would like to make clear that Multan was not the area ruled by this clan. Multan is an ancient city and has its origin as the name "mulah-Sthan" meaning the place of origin. The only place in the world where a language close to sanskrit is still used locally. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multan |
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 9, 2010 12:42:29 GMT 5.5
That is interesting... So Mohil is similar to Mahali ( or Mohali) what is your view on that. I think you are reading the fiction stories written by Col Todd. The Mohil story is completely false. In that case Rathors must have been the rulers of these areas before the invasion of Babar but they were nonexistant in that fight. That means these Gujjars teritories were occupied later and had been consolidated during the Mughal regime in excahnge of females. Even Col Todd. could not hide threse facts in his stories. Col Todd. seems to be suffering from selective blindness. He has reffered Ferriasta many times in his stories but failed to read the origin of a great group of India, who made a formidable part of Mughal Hindoo vassals. See where col. Todd went blind in reading Ferrista:-The History of the Rise of Mohammedan Power in India, Volume 1, chpt. 8 The rajas, not satisfied with their married wives, had frequently children by their female slaves, who, although not legitimate successors to the throne, were styled Rajpoots, or the children of the rajas, and the children of Raja Sooruj, whose history we shall now relate, were the first to whom the name of rajpoot was given. |
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Post by Singh on Mar 9, 2010 20:43:17 GMT 5.5
Hahaha ... No my friend I am not reading any book like that..
I was just little curious nothing alse.
I just update my history knowledge in different ways .
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 10, 2010 13:07:48 GMT 5.5
One of the Mathura inscription of Gujjar Kasanas mentiones that Vokkana Pati ( Bokkan Gotra among Gujjars is derived as rulers of Vokkana, which is present day Badskhan in Uzbekistan) visited the temple at Mathura. Also mentioned that alongwith Vokkana Pati Kharsaler Pati. also visited Mathura, the Winter Capital of Gujjar Kushanas.
Can anyone suggest that which Gotra among Gujjars matches with Kharsaler. Is It Khari which is mentioned as Kharsaler? Also which is the present location and name of Kharsaler?
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