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Post by Ashok Harsana on Dec 20, 2009 22:18:04 GMT 5.5
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Dec 20, 2009 22:20:35 GMT 5.5
So finally we have found the origin of Dedha gotra, Dedhai gotra derived its name after the place Dedha, located in Jaisalmer, Rajasthan. www.maplandia.com/india/rajasthan/jaisalmer/dedhaRulers of Dedha were called Dedhai (thats the actual gotra which is now simply written as Dedha). Regards |
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 21, 2009 16:50:25 GMT 5.5
I am also of the opinion that Gujjar Mandars are from Gujjar Pratihar Stock.
On Wiki nothing is written about Gujjars and the stolen history of Gujjars is getting circulated there. Col. Todd is mainly responsible for writing this fabricated history. He was successful to some extent for achieving his this goal by localising the history of India to present day Rajasthan which is he has written Rajputana is his records. But he seriously failed in his goal to cite the word Rajput and Rajputana used for any ruler or area before 1400AD.
First of all Gujjars never intermarried with others so there is no question of giving Mandor in dowry. To confirm it further I could not find any roles Rathors with fight of Hindus with Babar. In Babar nama none of the rulers of presentday Jodhpur and Jaipur is mentioned anywhere. That shows that they were not the till the time of the attack of Babar. The Territories of Gujjar Raja Udai Singh Nagari and Gujjar Raja Ratan Singh Salambar and Hasan Khan Mewati, who sacrificed their lives in Khanwa Battle were divided by these new small chieftains among themselves and that dowry theory is fabricated to get some respect later. |
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 21, 2009 17:49:04 GMT 5.5
Here is the how the Gujjar History is stolen and awarded to others by Col Todd. and others and calrified by the knoweledgeable scholar Joh Key: Pleasse see India: a history Doubt raised by the scholar for the history fabricated by others at Page 195Based in Western India at the opposite extremity of Arya-Varta, the Gurjara-Pratiharas have been awarded an Imperial sway greater even than Harsha's and a national resolve worthy of the Congress Party. "They were of the people and did not stand away from their hopes, aspirations and traditions. The y spearhead of the religio-cultural upsurge' the Gurjara-Pratihars were bulwark of defence against the vanguard of Islam, and protectors of Dharmal. Yet despite such confident statement, despite comparatively frequent references by Islamic writers, and despite a succession of well attested rulers, the Gurjara Pratiharas remain as much an enigma as their composite title suggests. Page 196: How todd did itTod spent ten years amongst the still-independent rajputs as a political agent in the early nineteenth century. In the subsequent Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan, one of the most substantial and sonorous works of British Indian scholarship, he would claim to have established' the common origin of the tribe of Rajasthan and those of ancient Europe'. Invoking 'the Sycthic tribes' as the common link, this was simplay a variation, albeit less remote, of the Indo-Aryan hypothesis advanced by philogists like Jones. Tod also delved deeply into the Puranic pedigrees whereby the various rajput houses claimed descent from heroes of the epic and Vedas. And he valiantly tried to trace each clan to its original homeland. But he failed to explain the greatest mystery of all: why the rajputs, so prominent in Indian history throughout the second millennium AD, had figured in it not once during the first millennium. Where, in short, had the rajputs sprung from? The mystery is still unresolved. Even if rajput clans like the Pratiharas were really Gurjaras, they can still only be traced to C500; and there remains the problem of where the Gurjaras and rajputs sprang from. Page 197 ( The Word Bhadana, a celebrated Gotra of Gujjars invariably found on various coins of Yodheyas)Yuadheyas offered a stout resistance to Rudradaman of the Junagarh inscription, and whether earlier still they have migrated from somewhere outside India -- all such mysteries remain unexplanied. What is certain is that Gurjara-Pratihars representd a social and political grouping very different from those of their Pala and rashtrakuta rivals for imperial patrimony of Kannauj. When they first emerged it was as the most successful amongst several related Gurjara royal families; their extensive conquests were often made and subsequently controlled by feudatories who were often relations; and when their empire disintegrated, it did so into powerful local kingdoms ruled by the families who claim a similar kastriya status and a similar-rajput provenance. This prevalence of loose, kin based relatioships suggests that tribe and clan were important to the Gurjara-Pratiharas. Nevertheless, the Gurjara-Pratihars observed the conventions and assumed the traditional epitets of paramouncy. Vatsraja, who from Ujjain appear to have ruled over Malwa and much of rajasthan in the 780s, had been the vfirst to assume the titles of Maharajadhiraja and Parmeshwara. Kabul was captured by the Gujjars on 870AD but by the Indian Historians the Shahi dynasty is considered as Non Gujjar. Only fools will believe them since they have committed serious errors in cheating the Gujjars of their history 203 In the Panjab the Shahis jostled with the Gurjaras, Kasmiris and Sindhi rivals,sometimes as allies, sometimes as enemies; while in Afghanistan their fuedatories clung to considerable territories to the south and east of Kabul. These latter were the first to go, and in 870 Kabul itself was recaptured. Page 231: Triumph of the Sultans (c1180-1320). Friends, rajput and Conquerors: The word Rajput (raj-putera) simply means 'son of a raja'. Although it therefore implied Ksatriya status and eventually came to mean just that, someone of Kastriya case, it originally had no particular ethnic or regional connotations. To those ex-fuedatories of the Gurjara-Pratihar kings of Kanauj to whom the term is so freely applied, and to other Indian opponents of Islam to whom it was occasionally extended, it was probably meaningless other than as one of many hackneyed, and usually much more grandiloquent, honorific. Not until the Mughal period did the word come to be used of a particular class or tribe and, given the prejudices of aurangzeb's reign, its connotation soon became decidedly pejorative: 'Rashboot', as they sometimes appeared in english translation, were freebooters and troble-makers, 'a sort of highway men, or Tories, according to a seven-teenth-century ( the contemporary for the Hindus), they were encountered mainly in Gujarat and rajasthan and were usually under arms, soldiering being their hereditary profession. See how this cheating is made by wrong translation
Page231-232.Colonel James Tod, who as the first British official to visit Rajasthan spent most of the 1820s exploring its political potential, formed a very different idea of the 'rashboots'. Not only was it his boast that 'in a rajpoot I always recognize a friend,' but seemingly in a friend he always recognized a rajput. Their hospitality to one who was offering acknowledgement of their sovereignty plus protection from the then devastating attentions of the Marathas was overwhelming. Tod found rajputs all over Rajasthan; and the whole region thenceforth became, for the British, 'Rajputana'. The word even achieved a retrospective authenticity when, in an 1829 translation of Ferista's history of early Islamic India, John Briggs discarded the pharse 'Indian princes,' as rendered in Dows;s earlier version, and substituted 'Rajpoot princes'. As Briggs freely admitted, he was much indebted for the unreserved communications on all points connected with the history of rajpootana..... to my friend Colonel Tod.At page 232 the knowledgeble writers describes why Col Todd did it since it was his job to find weak alley.About Rajputs: The closest attention to their history proves beyond contradiction that they were never capable of uniting, even for their own preservation: a breath, a scurrilous stanza of a bard, has served their closest confederacies. No national head exists amongst them..... and each chief being master of his own house and followers, they are individually too weak to cause us (i,e, the British) any alarm. *3
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Dec 28, 2009 11:17:58 GMT 5.5
There is a district called bagar in jhunjhunu, rajasthan. It can be the origin of bagri Gujjars. Bagri gujjars are also called bagte. wikimapia.org/9560449/VEER-GURJAR-JAIPHARI-BAGAR-JHUNJHUNU-RAJASTHANThe Gujjars in Afghanistan and NWFP call themselves Gujur rajasthani. So it can be easily understood that they migrated to those areas from Rajasthan only. Similarly as all the indian Gujjars migrated from Rajasthan, the difference is theat they moed westward and we came towards easten area. This is also an interesting fact that these Gujjar tribes are mainly divided among five groups those are: Chechi (Naikadi) kasana Khatana, Bargat, Gorsi That again proves that they left Rajasthan at least 2000 years back. Regards |
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 28, 2009 11:27:44 GMT 5.5
Bagar or Bagad was larger region including the Lat of Gujarat and almost half of present day Rajasthan and some part of Malwa region of present day Madhya Pradesh and having its capital at Nagda ( Near Udaipur).
Rajputana is named by the Britishers and prior to that it was part of Gujarat only.
Bagar is named after the Bajaur ( Vajra Vihar, the area ruler by Bajjad Gujjars ) having its capital at Nagarhar ( Naga Vihar). Potohar ( Pota Vihar) was also part of this kingdom.
Bagad and Nagda of present day Rajashthan and Madhya Pradesh were ruled and thus named after the same clans of Gujjars during the Gujjar Pratihar Empire who ruled over Nangarhar, Bajaur and Potohar region of present day Pakistan and afghanistan during Gujjar Kushan Empire.
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 28, 2009 11:48:50 GMT 5.5
That again proves that they left Rajasthan at least 2000 years back. Regards During the Huna invasions ( White Huns, a group of original Gujjar Tribe who came later) some Gujjars ruling at Kabul and Sindh area lost lost their territories and found shelter at Valla Mandal region ruled by Gujjar Solankis that time. These newly settled Gujjars Warriors in Valla Mandal made the position of Gujjar Solanis much stronger and Pulkesin with this confederation of various Gujjar clans was able to defeat Harshavardana. Dadda Gujjar was the leader of Gujjar confederation in this war against Harsha where Harsha was defeated badly and had to marry his one of his daughter to one of the junior member of this confederation. Pulkesin is called Valla Mandala Palak ( King of Valla Madala) in one of his inscription. Valhara ( Valla Raja) was the title of this Solanki clan of Gujjars. Later one of their non Gujjar fuedatories formed an alliance with the Arab invaders and their joint armies defeated this Gujjar confederation and Vallamandala was given to Rashtrakutas by the Arbas, their new lords. That how Arbas always called rashtrakuts as Vallara in all their historical descriptions even after these Rashtrakuts were finished forever during the regime of Gujjar Samrat Mihir Bhoja Mahan. |
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 28, 2009 12:05:39 GMT 5.5
Continued with my last post:
Later these joint armies of Arabs and Rashtrakutas had to clash with Nagbhatta the great, the ruler of Nagda and Bagad region. Coins of Nagabhatta Putra found at Skandpura ( present day Vadnagar) proves that this part of the country was also ruled by Nagabhatta which is also the original place to start the wrtings of Skand Purana ( Skand is another name of Kartikeya, the eldest son of lord Shiva) and Nagara Khand of this Purana is dedicated to Nagara Gujjars, which are nothing but the part of the same Varajjara and Pratihar family.
Nagabhatta defeated this combined forces of Arabs and rashtrakutas and extened his capital up to Sindh. At this point of time the movements of Gujjar Warriors started from Gujarat and Present day Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh to present day Pakistan and Afghnistan area. Kabul was retaken only during the reign of Samrat Mihir Bhoja Mahan. This success of Nagabhattan the Great and Samrat Mihir Bhoja Mahan was possible only because the singificance presence of Gujjars Warriors residing in those areas who could withstand the attack of the Hunas.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Dec 29, 2009 0:26:12 GMT 5.5
But is there a possibility that Gujjars actually originated from Rajasthan and then moved to all the places in mid asia and India.
Or is it true that Mihir Bhoja or Nagabhatta-2 placed the best Gujjar fighter in Afghanstan and Mid Asia.
Is there any authenticate documentary proof that Gujjars originated in sumer mountains ( I read somewhere that Gujjars originated in Pamir mountains).
Please explain...
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Post by rajender on Dec 29, 2009 11:27:29 GMT 5.5
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