need of a main stream hindi movie abt our histry.

[CHAUHAN]

hiiiiiii to all....
wat do u thnk bro... plz give ur suggetions..

[Veer Gurjeshwar]

Ofcourse,
The movie should be based on our most sucessful emperor samrat Mihir Bhoj Mahan, Prithvi Raj chauhan, Dhan Singh Kotwal (First soldier of first mutiny at meerut).

Finance should not be a issue, as community dhan kuber can invest the money. But the movie should be directed by well known director in true professional frame.

We hope it will done soon. But we people should publisize our glorious history on web and in real world, so that Film world can understand that it may be profitable business to make a film on gurjars who counts more than 10 crores in india.

Brothers do the job in favor of community, and Highlight our golden past as india's golden past and celebrate on every small or big success of any Gurjar in any field.


Gardish mein rahe ab tak, to kya hua.
Dum to baki hai
karwan khud b khud banega, koi sitara humari pehchaan to banega
Tumhee humee se koi to ayega. Mihir Bhoj jaisa Samrat to Banega.

[AP Singh]

Dear Gurjareshwar,
Kanishka was the Greatest Emperor of India whose territories extended from present day Gujarat in India to present day Georgia in Central Asia.
The main Gujjar clans united under him were Kasana, Khatana, Bokkan,Chechan or Chechi and Hun. He himself was from Kasana Gotra of Gujjars but more authentic records found by Sir, MS Stein confirms that he was from Khatana Gotra. His coins are found in Gold and were printed in many depending upon the languages used in the region of his rule.

Vijai Singh Khatana who married a princess of Chinese Empire was his descendent.

Most likely Pratihar ( Padihars or Padiyar), Nagaras ( Nagar or Nagaris, Varajjars ( Bajjad or Bijad) and Parmar ( also called Panwars ) including Khubber Parmars ( the rulers of Khyber Pass which connects India to Pamer region, the land of Gujjar Parmars) are the branches of Khatana Gotra of Gujjars.
Samrat MIhir Bhoja Mahan was a Great conquerer and he won many wars against strong adversaries and their united front against his him and Gujjars like Arabs and Rsahtrakuta combination and Pala and Rashtrakuta combinations. His coins are mainly found in Silver probably because all through his life he was busy in Wars and lot of money was spent to extend the lost Gujjar Empire of Gujjars of Kushana Era.

Samrat Mihir Bhoja Mahan extended his kingdom up to Kabul. Jaipal ( called Shahi Emperor as in those areas the Gujjar Kushana Emperor were called Shah-nu.Shahi), the title later borrowed by Mughals. Samrat Jaipal was real son of Mahi Pal, also known as Kshiti Pal ( Mahi nad Kshiti are the same and it is another meaning of the Universe). Similarly Mihir, Bhoja, Prabhas, Varaha ( and incarnation of God) are the different names of Gujjar Samrat Mihir Bhoja Mahan, the Great Grand Father of Samrat Mahi Pal. Kabul and Lamghan were part of Gujjar Empire during the reign of Samrat Mahipal. East side Burma was the Border. The entire south India including Kerala and Murula was brought under hisn control but he allowd the local rulers to rule since there was no threat to his Gujjar empire from that side.
In Gujjar Chauhan dynasty Bissal Dev ( Vishal Dev) was the greatert king. In fact Delhi was taken over from Tanwars by the Gahadwals ( The Descendents of Rashtrakutas governors of Mehmud Gazni, who later became independent after Gaznavis was defeated by Ghoris). It was Bissal Dev Chauhan who brought Delhi under Gujjar Control and again installed Gujjar Tanwars on Delhi throne again and Gujjar tanwars literraly acted as his fuedatories later on. Prihvi Raj Chauan was the direct descendents of Bissal Dev Chauhan. God Dev Narayan was born in the family of Mandal Ji ( Founder Mandal lake near Bhilwara) who was real brother of Bissal Dev Chauhan

[harsh chaudhary]

HI AP BHAI ,
BHAI ONE QUESTION IN MY IS WHAT IS THE BROAD BENEFIT OF EXPRESSING OUR GLORIOUS UNTILL AND UNLESS IT SHOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN OUR TEXT BOOKS OF C.B.S.E. AND IN THE BOARDS OF THE STATES
I AGREE INFORMATION ON THE NET IS REVOLUTIONARY STEP BUT THE KNOLEDGE STARTS FROM OUR TEXT BOOKS ....IS IT OR NOT .. HOW MANY OF OUR PEOPLES ARE ACCESS TO NET ... HARDLY 10% OR BELOW THAT .... HENCE WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING IN THAT DIRECTION TOO.. WHAT EVER IS HAPPENING IS GREAT BUT MORE SHOULD BE DONE ..
THANKS

[Ashok Harsana]

I agree,

Before any other things, We need to enter the history text books so that everyone would know us as a royal clan.
In my knowledge, a part of Gurjar history is being used in UP education board in text books of history of 7th-8th std.

99% arguements from other communities will be held void if we able to enter the text books as Kings.

[Veer Gurjeshwar]

Dear AP Singh ji and Ashok , I agree with you\

We should built our community more capable and great, then media and other public will trace our golden history. Then no need to sing the song of our greatness. This will done by this world itself.

Hume khud hi apne aap ko itna buland karna hoga ki yahi media, writers and other people khud b khud humari history ko sabhi ke samne lekar ayenge.

Khud hi ko kar buland itna ki, Khuda bandey se khud poochey bata teri raza kya hai.\

Jai Veer Gurjar Land

[AP Singh]

Late Shri Rajesh Pilot was keen to have the history of India to be written in a truthful manner and he once invited the reknowned historians of the country to a conference. All the historians agreed about the Great History of Gujjars but many of them does not know about the present day population of their descendents.

Most of our History is written during British regime and except a very very few Historians later have used their own talent to think critical about the history already written about the people like Col. Todd. Col Todd was biggest maker of the fake history of India. He was actually a political agent to the British Regime in India and was given a job to find allies among Indian Tribes who can be loyal to British Regime and also could not pose a threat to them if these allied desired so at any point of time in future. In other words they were not looking for Lions to have a ally but a sqad of Dogs who can be faithful to them. As a result Gujjars were not taken in to their army since these could pose a serious threat to them later. Brahmins were better placed than Gujjars and they were taken in to the British army but never have been kept together and that is the reason Brahmins does not have a regiment. Col. Tod. has himself accepted this fact in his writings.

If you think critical about his writings of history his title of the Book itself wrong. His book is "Annals and antiquities of Rajasthan". It is fact that Rajasthan is named after independence only, earlier it was called Rajputana by the Britishers. Even Rajputana name did not exist before the arrival of Britishers and this name is given by the. It was Part of Gujarat before the arrival of the Britishers.

These facts when are raised by many scholars and I dont think that the Text Books were reamin unchanged. Moreover people of slave metality installed at the top order- In all the coutries which were part of undivided India during Gujjars Empires- which was inherited from the British and Mughal Empires, are regulary being replaced by the critical thinkers and the true history will certainly replace the fabricated history in the text books.

Here are some of these views of a noted historaian John Key in his book India: a History which states that how the Gujjar History was stolen .

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3. Page 197 ( The Word Bhadana, a celebrated Gotra of Gujjars invariably found on various coins of Yodheyas)

Yuadheyas offered a stout resistance to Rudradaman of the Junagarh inscription, and whether earlier still they have migrated from somewhere outside India -- all such mysteries remain unexplanied.

What is certain is that Gurjara-Pratihars representd a social and political grouping very different from those of their Pala and rashtrakuta rivals for imperial patrimony of Kannauj. When they first emerged it was as the most successful amongst several related Gurjara royal families; their extensive conquests were often made and subsequently controlled by feudatories who were often relations; and when their empire disintegrated, it did so into powerful local kingdoms ruled by the families who claim a similar kastriya status and a similar-rajput provenance. This prevalence of loose, kin based relatioships suggests that tribe and clan were important to the Gurjara-Pratiharas. Nevertheless, the Gurjara-Pratihars observed the conventions and assumed the traditional epitets of paramouncy. Vatsraja, who from Ujjain appear to have ruled over Malwa and much of rajasthan in the 780s, had been the vfirst to assume the titles of Maharajadhiraja and Parmeshwara.
4. Kabul was captured by the Gujjars on 870AD but by the Indian Historians the Shahi dynasty is considered as Non Gujjar. Only fools will believe them since they have committed serious errors in cheating the Gujjars of their history

5. Page 203 In the Panjab the Shahis jostled with the Gurjaras, Kasmiris and Sindhi rivals,sometimes as allies, sometimes as enemies; while in Afghanistan their fuedatories clung to considerable territories to the south and east of Kabul. These latter were the first to go, and in 870 Kabul itself was recaptured.
6. Page 231: Triumph of the Sultans (c1180-1320). Friends, rajput and Conquerors: The word Rajput (raj-putera) simply means 'son of a raja'. Although it therefore implied Ksatriya status and eventually came to mean just that, someone of Kastriya case, it originally had no particular ethnic or regional connotations. To those ex-fuedatories of the Gurjara-Pratihar kings of Kanauj to whom the term is so freely applied, and to other Indian opponents of Islam to whom it was occasionally extended, it was probably meaningless other than as one of many hackneyed, and usually much more grandiloquent, honorific. Not until the Mughal period did the word come to be used of a particular class or tribe and, given the prejudices of aurangzeb's reign, its connotation soon became decidedly pejorative: 'Rashboot', as they sometimes appeared in english translation, were freebooters and troble-makers, 'a sort of highway men, or Tories, according to a seven-teenth-century ( the contemporary for the Hindus), they were encountered mainly in Gujarat and rajasthan and were usually under arms, soldiering being their hereditary profession.


8. At page 232 the knowledgeble writers describes why Col Todd did it since it was his job to find weak alley.

About Rajputs: The closest attention to their history proves beyond contradiction that they were never capable of uniting, even for their own preservation: a breath, a scurrilous stanza of a bard, has served their closest confederacies. No national head exists amongst them..... and each chief being master of his own house and followers, they are individually too weak to cause us (i,e, the British) any alarm. *3

[AP Singh]

My last post certain portion was not accepted by the website.
Here are comlete deatails of noted Historian John Key in his book, India: a History

1.Based in Western India at the opposite extremity of Arya-Varta, the Gurjara-Pratiharas have been awarded an Imperial sway greater even than Harsha's and a national resolve worthy of the Congress Party. "They were of the people and did not stand away from their hopes, aspirations and traditions. The y spearhead of the religio-cultural upsurge' the Gurjara-Pratihars were bulwark of defence against the vanguard of Islam, and protectors of Dharmal. Yet despite such confident statement, despite comparatively frequent references by Islamic writers, and despite a succession of well attested rulers, the Gurjara Pratiharas remain as much an enigma as their composite title suggests.

2. Page 196: How todd did it
Tod spent ten years amongst the still-independent rajputs as a political agent in the early nineteenth century. In the subsequent Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan, one of the most substantial and sonorous works of British Indian scholarship, he would claim to have established' the common origin of the tribe of Rajasthan and those of ancient Europe'. Invoking 'the Sycthic tribes' as the common link, this was simplay a variation, albeit less remote, of the Indo-Aryan hypothesis advanced by philogists like Jones. Tod also delved deeply into the Puranic pedigrees whereby the various rajput houses claimed descent from heroes of the epic and Vedas. And he valiantly tried to trace each clan to its original homeland. But he failed to explain the greatest mystery of all: why the rajputs, so prominent in Indian history throughout the second millennium AD, had figured in it not once during the first millennium. Where, in short, had the rajputs sprung from? The mystery is still unresolved. Even if rajput clans like the Pratiharas were really Gurjaras, they can still only be traced to C500; and there remains the problem of where the Gurjaras and rajputs sprang from.




3. Page 197 ( The Word Bhadana, a celebrated Gotra of Gujjars invariably found on various coins of Yodheyas)

Yuadheyas offered a stout resistance to Rudradaman of the Junagarh inscription, and whether earlier still they have migrated from somewhere outside India -- all such mysteries remain unexplanied.

What is certain is that Gurjara-Pratihars representd a social and political grouping very different from those of their Pala and rashtrakuta rivals for imperial patrimony of Kannauj. When they first emerged it was as the most successful amongst several related Gurjara royal families; their extensive conquests were often made and subsequently controlled by feudatories who were often relations; and when their empire disintegrated, it did so into powerful local kingdoms ruled by the families who claim a similar kastriya status and a similar-rajput provenance. This prevalence of loose, kin based relatioships suggests that tribe and clan were important to the Gurjara-Pratiharas. Nevertheless, the Gurjara-Pratihars observed the conventions and assumed the traditional epitets of paramouncy. Vatsraja, who from Ujjain appear to have ruled over Malwa and much of rajasthan in the 780s, had been the vfirst to assume the titles of Maharajadhiraja and Parmeshwara.

4. Kabul was captured by the Gujjars on 870AD but by the Indian Historians the Shahi dynasty is considered as Non Gujjar. Only fools will believe them since they have committed serious errors in cheating the Gujjars of their history


5. Page 203: In the Panjab the Shahis jostled with the Gurjaras, Kasmiris and Sindhi rivals,sometimes as allies, sometimes as enemies; while in Afghanistan their fuedatories clung to considerable territories to the south and east of Kabul. These latter were the first to go, and in 870 Kabul itself was recaptured.


6. Page 231: Triumph of the Sultans (c1180-1320). Friends, rajput and Conquerors: The word Rajput (raj-putera) simply means 'son of a raja'. Although it therefore implied Ksatriya status and eventually came to mean just that, someone of Kastriya case, it originally had no particular ethnic or regional connotations. To those ex-fuedatories of the Gurjara-Pratihar kings of Kanauj to whom the term is so freely applied, and to other Indian opponents of Islam to whom it was occasionally extended, it was probably meaningless other than as one of many hackneyed, and usually much more grandiloquent, honorific. Not until the Mughal period did the word come to be used of a particular class or tribe and, given the prejudices of aurangzeb's reign, its connotation soon became decidedly pejorative: 'Rashboot', as they sometimes appeared in english translation, were freebooters and troble-makers, 'a sort of highway men, or Tories, according to a seven-teenth-century ( the contemporary for the Hindus), they were encountered mainly in Gujarat and rajasthan and were usually under arms, soldiering being their hereditary profession.



7. See how this cheating is made by wrong translation
Page231-232.Colonel James Tod, who as the first British official to visit Rajasthan spent most of the 1820s exploring its political potential, formed a very different idea of the 'rashboots'. Not only was it his boast that 'in a rajpoot I always recognize a friend,' but seemingly in a friend he always recognized a rajput. Their hospitality to one who was offering acknowledgement of their sovereignty plus protection from the then devastating attentions of the Marathas was overwhelming. Tod found rajputs all over Rajasthan; and the whole region thenceforth became, for the British, 'Rajputana'. The word even achieved a retrospective authenticity when, in an 1829 translation of Ferista's history of early Islamic India, John Briggs discarded the pharse 'Indian princes,' as rendered in Dows;s earlier version, and substituted 'Rajpoot princes'. As Briggs freely admitted, he was much indebted for the unreserved communications on all points connected with the history of rajpootana..... to my friend Colonel Tod.


8. At page 232 the knowledgeble writers describes why Col Todd did it since it was his job to find weak alley.

About Rajputs: The closest attention to their history proves beyond contradiction that they were never capable of uniting, even for their own preservation: a breath, a scurrilous stanza of a bard, has served their closest confederacies. No national head exists amongst them..... and each chief being master of his own house and followers, they are individually too weak to cause us (i,e, the British) any alarm. *3

[CHAUHAN]

hiiiiiiiii grt job done by mr ap singh ji, mr harshana bro. nd ap singh ji now we kno dat v r real warriors and nd rajput were just adjusted in history in place of us.....nothing else althouth some warrior also took born in rajputs thats why bcoz they r half khsatriya. nd our the gujjars blood is mixed in them still.and some sayings....also proove that v r v....no one can replace us...lyk there is a saying in rajasthan.........."asli rajput wahi ho sakta h jisne gujjri maa ka dudh piya ho,gujjri ka dudh sherni ka dudh hota h" nd in rajput nd mughal period gujjaro ko rajput dhabhai bolte the ........nd nw also in fact bcoz of blood relation gujjars in rajasthan consider them as brother.
.......but the main problem towards us nw is dat how can v gain our lost n original place in history....hw in the text book v can show the gurjar age instead of rajput age.
i also see that in all the text book our great historians show tha pratihar nd solankees as rajput not gurjar anywhere and write as rajput kaal.
also our own cast is writing in many forums(maharashtriyan gujjars) dat gujjars came in india wid hunas.......... i ask if they came wid hunas then how the great kushanas can b of gujjar origins........if we c in a well manner gurjar kingdoms existed in asian history from kushanas to solankees of gujrat(i dont know tym exactly perhaps 1BC to 1200).
so its needed a big effort...nd also our strong presence in education ministory..then it can b possible to convert the rajput age into the gurjaras age.

[CHAUHAN]

presently its condidering about gurjars that came in india abt 6th century nd perhaps they were white hunas......now the que is if gurjars were related to hunas or were white hunas then why the struggle took place between them.....kanishk fought wid hunas nd further... jainendra samrat yashodharma also fought wid hunas, both they were great warrior of gujjar origin.
now the que arises about georgia. i read the conclusions of Dr ratan lal verma(bhartiya sanskriti k rakshak) realy a grt book abt our history with fects.,,,,Dr verma said that the gurjars were not foreigners, they went to many part of mid asia lyk iran and georgia as a results of struggles between gujjars and hunas....and its possible that georgia was named after them. but surely they were indian nd not came from georgia or mid asia.