Gurjars and Kasana gotra.(Mr.Ashok help needed)

[kasana110]

Well thats great to know..would it have the proves regarding the gujjar lineage with shri Ram and the traditions regarding gurjars in ramayana and mahabharatha?and the foundation of dwarika was led by shri krishen and his gurjars?one more thing,..that the rajputs are the illegitimate descendants of gurjar rulers?i mean i hope it touches every aspect of our past,about gurjar rulers,famous gurjar personalities dating back to the b.c era till now,and clarifies the contradictions and the fabricated traditions added by the rajputs.
Please mention some content topics, I look forward for it.
The Royality belongs to us, The Gurjars!

Regards,
Ch.Qussain Kasana.

[Ashok Harsana]

Great Information AP Bhaisab, Your work has always been plausible. You have a great knowledge of Gurjar history.

All of us, all the members of this discussion board, look forward to clear our doubts about the Gurjar history with the help of your valued research.

Thanks for posting the info.

Best Regards
Ashok Harsana

[rajagurjar]

Dear AP singh

thank you for your reply.

sorry i made a type error before what i meant to say was that according to rana ali hassan chauhan king porus is a gurjar.

but still my question has not been tackled yet and that is are the bakarwal related to the gurjars? in my opinion NO!.

yes some gurjars in the Himalayas may have took up pastoral occupation so people maybe be confused and think that the bakarwal and gurjars are the same.

please share your views.

regards

[aps]

Dear Raja,

My point of view is that Poshwal gotra is not named after king Porus, which is his name written in Greek language. I don’t mean to say Porus was not a Gujjar and the matter is open for debate. See even Fars also written as Paras desh ( Paras country) was also ruled by Gujjars during Gujjar Kushana Empire. It is also possible that the Gujjar rulers of Paras country were named as Paraswal or Poshwal.

In fact, Most of the Gujjar gotras are named after the place or regions ruled by them. I would give example of two Gujjar gotras mentioned in Mathura inscription of Gujjar Kushanas. Ist. is Wakhan gotra and the 2nd. Khari gotra of Gujjars.

This is well known fact that the present day Tajmahal was the old hindu temple. It is located in Agra which is only a few miles to Gwalior. Gwalior was the old local residence of local of Gujjar Emperors as inscriptions of Gujjar emperors Mihir Kul and Mihir Bhoja are found from that place. In fact it was the main residence of Gujjar samrat Mihir Bhoja and where he appointed Bailla Bhatta of Nagara gotra of Varjjara ( Bajjad) family as the Governor of the fort and to protect the existing boundaries of the Empire before moving to conquer all the four regions. Sas Bahu temples were made there in Gwalior fort for his family to worship which were completed by Gujjar Emperor Mahipala.

Agra is hindi is deived from the word Agrahara of Sanskrit literature which means a tax free land given to a temple on perpetual lease and all the affairs of the temple can be managed on perpetual basis from the income generated from the land assigned as Agrahara without ant intervention of the present and future rulers. This arrangement continued till the time of Gujjar Pratihars and the garden of this temple was built by Gujjar Samrat Mihir Bhoja the Great. It was during the rule of Mughals that the temple was converted to Taj Mahal.

Now coming to the main point, when this perpetual lease was made in favour of the temple, two Gujjar Kushan rulers are mentioned in the inscription to have visited the site to pay their homage to the lord Maheshwara (lord Shiva). One is written in the inscription as Kharsalern Pati (the lord of Kharsalern) and the other is mentioned as Wakhan Pati ( lord of Wakhan). Wakhan is Bokken or Vokken gotra of Gujjars and Kharsalern is Khari gotra of Gujjar which are mentioned as the lords of Wakhan and lord of Khurasan in the inscription respectively. Khurasan is well known region as the Gujjar capital Valkha was also located in Greater Khurasan area. Wakhan is derived from Vakshu river which is the Sanskrit name of river Oxus of Greek . The Gujjar rulers of Vakshun (greek oxus) valley in the Central Asia were named as Wakahan Pati or the lords of Vokken or Bokken valley. Late Shri Ramchandra Vikal, the first Member of Parliament in India was from Vokken Gotra of Gujjars.

[divyansh123]

gurjaro ko videshi bataya hai par gurjaro ke bare mein grantho mein bhi hai

[aps]

Feb 12, 2013 14:12:23 GMT 5.5 divyansh123 said:

gurjaro ko videshi bataya hai par gurjaro ke bare mein grantho mein bhi hai

Kaun se granth mein Gurjaron ko Videshi Likha Hai?

If Gujjars are written as foreigners, then our national heroes of greater Al-Hind, Raghu, Lord Rama, Gurjara Shri Vikarmaditya ( Kujula Kara Kadaphasis of Greek records ), the founder of Vikram Era also should have been written as foreigners who are the great ancestors of Gujjars.

This theory of foreign origin of Gujjars was purposefully propagated by British regime in India for political reasons with the active help of some local slaves for their mutual gains during the slavery period of the country. The real fact is that the major parts of central Asia including Tashkent and Samarkand were part of greater Al-hind of Gujjar Kushans. Tashkent in original Sanskrit is Chechi- Khand of Sanskrit which is named after the Chechi gotra of Gujjars. Later during the expansion of Arab empire Balkha in greater Khurasan ( Named after Khari Gotra of Gujjars) became the frontiers of Al-Hind which can be called greater India including present day Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and Bangla Desa.

The Gujjars of present day Georgia moved there from these regions of central Asia, ruled by Gujjars continually up to 7th. Century AD, during the expansion of Arab empire and later during the Mongolian invasion of Chingij Khan and named it as Georgia after the name of their tribe.

[Dr.Allahrakha Sindhu]

AP Singh,
Very please to see you on board, now it looks that its a historical site and same for Ashok. Please write your reseach or views about Porus because I have written him as Gujjar in my essays. I know that was not his real name, its not even an Indian word. One thing more was not Tirlochan Pal Kahtan from Jailpal Khatana lineage because I always considered him from Jaipal. Gujjar historical research is now so much ahead than we start ed our work on history. Every bakrwal is not gujjar but in kashmir most number of bakrwal are Gujjars with the same Gujjar clains and the others are from different stock. In swat the Ajars are same with Gujjar clans and I have discussed it with Mazhar GUjjar because in Pakistan no one knows better than him about the Gujjars of Khayber pakhtoonkha former NWFP. Tariq Gujjar and mazhar both tries to stop rename as khyber pakhtunkha but it was a political move. Mostly Gujjars lives in the dream world as immigrants from Geogia, Chechaniya, central asia. I was invited on 6th january,2013 by Gujjar clun under the head of Anjuman-e-gujran where I listened tariq gujjar's speech, wow it was great, his way of talk, high voice and expression really look like a Gujjar blast like in films. I have heard about his speech, once also saw on C42 News channel agitating in his department. i think no one can debate likje him because his voice croses through the heart. even MPA speech was not like his standard. i have asked from Mazhar and tariq both to tell the exact sub castes of Swat valley. I shall tell you later about it and please how much your historical researsch work have been done. One thing quite surprised me that idian historians are still aournd the Rajput history to write rajput as alternative of Khashtrya in this religousaly extreamists time from both part of India and pakistan because pakistan always considered muslim invaders as heros but why not hindu extreamists condempt the rajputs who sided muslim invaders, even they not covered the whole 12 varns of khastrya , they are c80% consisted on three varns such as Suryavanshi, chandravanshi, yaduvanshi nearly covered the Gurjar historical clains. Is it not strange?
Again wonderful to see you back.

[aps]

Dear Dr. Sindhu,

During my research I found some people like RC Majumdar, CV Vaidya , Todd, Briggs and even Bhandarkar for deliberately cheating and manipulating the original information. For example see the following case.

"Till about 1200AD, the Rajput word is not mentioned even once in any primary source of historical information like the inscriptions. Also till about the invasion of Babar it was used only occasionally but during Mughal period especially in Aurangzeb’s time it was used frequently for a particular class of people.

The secondary sources of information from scholars like Kalhan and Ferristah is quite reliable but it is highly manipulated and distorted during translations. For Example, in the original Dow’s translation of Ferristah the word ‘Hindu’ is used for all the rulers of Al-Hind but this was deliberately replaced by the word ‘Rajput’ in the Briggs translations. Later all the historians who wanted to write with the intention of cheating the Al-Hind of its real history, used this manipulated information to build their type of false history for India."

I found many similar cases during my search for real history, where many facts were made hypothesis and then false and defective research work was carried out and a new and manipulated history was created for the neo-rulers who were nothing but Vassals of foreign rulers and prospered only during the slavery period of the country.

Thank you for your compliments.

With regards.

AP Singh

[Dr.Allahrakha Sindhu]

Gotras of Swat:
Bahlot or Bhaloot, Doi, Sair or Seer, Chokkar, Hinni, Gorsi, Ahir, Jat, Badhana, Bajar, Paswal, Jungle, Bokar(Bokan), Thekrya, Bhoomla, Chechi, Kushan, Khatana, Bharwar, Banian, Dedhar, Barkat, Awana, Bhlaisar, Chaula, Togro, Jagal or Jugl, Chohan, Dor or Doray, Sarandana, Kataria, Koli, Khari, Khokhar, Lorah, Lohsar, Motlay, Hakla.
Ahir, Jat and Khokhars are Gujjars here.

[Dr.Allahrakha Sindhu]

Gotras of Mansehra:
Awana, Bahrwal, Bajar, Bajran, Badhana, Bhlaisar, Bhoomla, Paswal, Porr, Phambra, Terwa, Tench, Tech, Thakur, Jat, Jungle, Jharah, Jendar,Charr, Chaneeza, Chohan, Cheechi, Dhakar, Dedhar, Doi, Rarri, Sangoo, Sarhaad, Sontra, Sial, Kalas, Kasana, Konash, Koli, Khari, Khatana, Gorsi, Gaigi, Ghela, Lali, Lohsar, Mota, Monan, Melu, Nakial, Noon, Nonhara, Nonhar, Hakla.
Thakur, Jat and Khokhars are Gujjars here.