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Post by Gujjar Babshah on Mar 15, 2007 22:31:51 GMT 5.5
Dear A.P.Singh, Thanks for information and to finish my innocent happiness "Gujrya" but fact is a fact and information have to be always right and aeqorate.Thanks again.
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Post by Gujjar Babshah on Mar 15, 2007 22:49:16 GMT 5.5
Other castes are changing the realities in their favour and claiming that things which they have never any kind if connection to that thing but we even can't "Gujrya"which is similar to Gujri word.Why only Gujarya word used in songs not jatiya or rajputniya? In pujab jati word is also used for a healthy woman.Its not necessary for her to be a jati.
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 16, 2007 12:35:51 GMT 5.5
Hi Gujjar Badshah,
The words high character and bravery is associated to Gujjar women and not the Gujariya (used for 16 year old girls). There are so many songs written about sixteen year olds girls. There are also films made like Solahvan Sawan etc.
Sometimes the material used in these films and songs is contrary to the brave and high character image of the Gujjar women and in that case you will be the first to object about that. Hence you should not confuse between the two.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 18, 2007 9:10:05 GMT 5.5
Dear Ashok, You can tell better than me that the both Akshay and are Gujjars or not .There was no Jat word in Bombay Industry but only one Jat Dharamendra came the whole situation changed what these persons have done for their community name"GUJJAR"even one of them is a member of Gujjar Sabha.Yesterday I was watching programe"KAUN BANAY GA CROREPATI" on STAR PLUS channel.It was a quiz programme which was hosted by filmstar Shah Rukh Khan.A guest "Sameer Gujar"participated in the programme to answer the questions.Once in the programme host call the guest Sammeer Gujar as "Sameer Gajr".You can immagine by this how much we are nameless that even King of bollywood knows our name and can't read and pay the word properly "Gujjar".Its true history plays so big supportive role for the comming generations but our history is no more ours atleast in school courses but it's not a matter to stop to make our future.For example Jats still have not much account in their history and nearly no other historian (except jats)takes them much seriously but their songs in whish they are praised have taken them far away and films like MAULA Jat have done marvelouse job for them.Are not we behind from 1931 when a silent film VEER GURJAR was made?.Believe me you persons have no idea that what coming generations will say to us and in which words they will remember to us if someone educated Gujjar will remain as Gujjar?.And in the last with sorry I am going to ask you a personal question Are you married in a Gujjar family because you have not touched the issues of Arjun Rampal as a cousin of Kim Sharma and Akshay's marriage in Khanna family .How a nonGujjar can be relative to a Gujjar even he is also a President of mumbai Gurjar sabha who is doing nothing to make Gujjar word famouse through films if he can't do in his own films than why can't he do in other films by using his friendship and personal contacts .Its not much hard because Dharamendra and his sons are doing this for their community even they are not member or preident of any Jat sabha.At least in one matter vijayraj was right about that why your personlaties not call themselves Gujjars openly? All Questions and confusions apart... Brother If you are a Jat and want to say something then please show us your real identity. VijayRaj is now a gud friend of mine, I have spoken to him many times at Jats' forum. So please..if u r a Jat you dont need to write with a fake Gujar ID. Regards |
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Post by mazhar gujjar on Mar 18, 2007 21:10:08 GMT 5.5
dear ashok bhai,
i did not feel happy to read your post.
brother if someone opposed ur views.its not mean that he is not
gujjar.
opposition not means someone is against u.
i personaly know gujjarbadshah real name is tarique gujjar.
he is an extremist gujjar.he is working in income tax office.
in his office he is known as a gujjar with big moustaches.
in whole office in his presence there is no topic but only gujjars.
every Jat in his office elergic bcoz of his presence.in his office everyone afraid of him as an aggresive gujjar.every gujjar organization in pakistan know him very well.
sometime i also opposed him on his ideas bcoz he does not
accept any person as a human being but only gujjars.
usualy me and he fights bcoz of different ideas.
lekin hum aik dosrey key khaloos pur shuk nahin kartey.
he loves u very much bcoz of ur efforts for website.
main samajh nahin saka key aapney uski kis post ki waja sey usko jaat bana dea.
ashok bhai mera khayal hai key akshey aur arjun rampal ko
gujjar na manney pur aapko accha nahin laga.
ashok bhai keep in ur mind ;GURJAR ; word kisi personality
ka mohtaj nahin hai.
gurjar word ki respect akshey ya arjun ya vilibh bhai patel ji ki waja sey nahin hai.
but these personalities r honourable for us bcoz of gurjars.
are these personalities have more importance than ;raja bhoj;
or prithvi raj chohan gurjar.
we only say that if a person dont say him gurjar proudly why
we fight on his name.
gurjar history is full of personalities.there is no lack of personalities in gurjars.
so brother we love u and respect u.
we dont make gurjar website a battle field.
if u say we will not come in this site and will not share our bad and false ideas.
mazhar gujjar
lahore pakistan
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 19, 2007 12:00:38 GMT 5.5
Hi Ashok,
Viewed from all his posts, the Gujjar Badshah is a very intelligent and very honest personality. I have read all his posts but probably he did not read all my posts and written something about me, which we have clarified and have great respect for each other.
With regards.
AP Singh
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 20, 2007 9:24:19 GMT 5.5
Sorry Gujjar Badshah,
Actually, being the moderator of this forum I have to be very suspicious and alert that no outsider could write bad about our community with a fake name. Specially when someone writes as a Guest, I have to take extr care..as anyone can use your name to write wrong things on this forum..
Anyways, everyone has told me that you are a pure gujjar so please carry on.. we real need your honest opinios..
Regards
Ashok harsana
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Post by Gujjar Badshah on Mar 20, 2007 23:45:52 GMT 5.5
HELLO ASHOK,A.P.SINGH & MAZHAR, First of all I appollgize to hurt you but some times my style hurt others but it does not means that I not love you people.Community is always on top priority to me.I am Gujjar first than Pakistani it not means that also I not love my country.My identity is open every where and for proof I am giving my cell no 0346-4560584.I was just giving example of the achievements of jats getting through media.Sometimes we have to learn from our opponents.I am not against any community but how can we hide the realities which is effecting and damaging our community.We have to differentiate the realities from Gujjar and other communities.I aways admire A.P.Singh because of his knowlege and I always read writtng care fully.Mostly I not give replies because I know it will change in argue and I dont want to loose aa educated friend alongwith positive approach.I want to ask so many questions to you about history and Indian Gujjars and i will ask.I also have a problem that my typing speed is slow and I am so busy person its only the love of you persons which brings me on website.In Pakistan I have seen no other person except Mazhar from whom I have learnt so much(very positive person which I also want to bo but could not).Mazhar you are the best I have seen after Rana Ali Hassan Chohan.In the end I am writting again Arjun Rampal is not a Gujjar he is a sure shot Pandit(Haryanvi pandit) and I am sure after reserach you will also find the same result.In akshay's research you will find him bhatia just only bhatia.And please write something about the topic because it is most important for us.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 21, 2007 9:59:35 GMT 5.5
Hi All Gurjars,
Arjun Rampal is a Gurjar but as he is married to A Non gurjar he can be related to other non gurjars also, His wife's name is Mehar Jesia ( In dont know her caste)...
His family shifted to Jabalpur (MP) from Faridabad 90 years back. His surname is Bhadana (MP faridabad Avtar singh Bhadana).
He stayed at Kotla mubarakpur and najafgarh also for some time...And he was a gud friend of the local delihites...Thats why everyone is delhi know about his caste..He is a Gujjar only..
And Akshay kumar is also Gurjar.. Gujjar Badshah you tell me yourself..what is the caste of Bhatiyas residing in Pakistan (sind and Punjab).. They are either gujjars or khatris.... U can check any khatri website ..he is no where mentioned as a khatri...Apart from that..A friend of mine told me that his relative who is from Ambala (he is a Gurjars only) is posted at Nasik used to meet Akshay regularly and he confirms that he is a Gurjar by caste.... Akshay also said himself "That he belongs to a Gujjar family" in a TV apearance at NDTV when he went to meet the Indian army at border..
Regards
Ashok Harsana
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Post by ChDeepak Gurjar on Mar 29, 2007 17:19:48 GMT 5.5
Yes,i saw that episode of KBC and it was an over-whelming experience to hear from Shahrukh Khan the name again and again--MAJOR SAMEER GURJAR.
Our own people hesitate or ignore to use their surnames or gotras.Why dont these gurjar celebrities dont use their actual surnames so that they can inspire their own people.
If Mohd Asif and Shoaib Akhtar write the word Chaudhary or Gurjar before or after his name,only then our own gurjar people can realise that Gurjars are developing and contributing to the society.
And why dont our bollywood stars dont show that they are gurjars too (if they really are).
Jab tak ye bande khud apne aap ko gurjar nahi kahenge,to ye confusion or debate humesha chalta hi rahega ki arjun,akshay gurjar hai ki nahi.
And what about Prithviraj Chauhan? Some historians suggest he belonged to the gurjar caste.Only after his death,Chauhans and other hindus were forced to adopt Islam and only then they were put nto the RAJPUT category.
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