amit singh sisodiya
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Post by amit singh sisodiya on Aug 15, 2008 21:23:24 GMT 5.5
hello ap singh and ashok bhai,
bhaiyon gujaron ki history bohot achi hai par sawal ye hai ki kitne log hamari bataon ko mante hai mera matlab hai ki hamari history ki books me gujar pratihar ko chodkar kisi bhi king ko gujar nahi bataya gaya.sabhi kings ko rajput kaha jata hai aur log bhi unhe rajput batate hai.hum gujjaron ki image logo ke samne achi nahi hai.agar aap bahar kisi se kahoge ki rana pratap,prithvi raj chouhan gujar the to koi aapki baton par yahin nahi manega.agar aap log aisa kuch kar sako ki logo ko pata chal jaye ki ye sare raja gujar the to hi kuch wayda hai nahi to hum yahan sirf apna waqt barbad kar rahe hai.
thank u
amit singh sisodiya
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Post by Rampal on Aug 19, 2008 12:01:55 GMT 5.5
Amit ye to mewar wale fakra se keahte hai ki wo gurjaron ki aulad hai yakeen nahi aata to neeche dekh le kyonki hath kangan ko aarsi kya aur cpadhe likhe ko farsi kya Guhil, Rawal, recognised as the first ruler of the GUHILOT Dynasty (r. ca 569-603), the royal line that eventually became the Mewar Dynasty. (This enables the dynasty's link to the earliest Rajput warriors and, by tradition, to Lav, elder son of Ram, and Surya the Sun God; see MEWAR'S TRADITIONAL LINEAGE.) Variations of his name are Goha, Gohaditya, Guha, Guhdatt, Guhadatta, and Guhila. He ruled from Idar near the Mewar-Gujarat border. Guhil's origins are not recorded but at least Colonel James TOD in his ANNALS AND ANTIQUITIES OF RAJASTHAN may have been close to the facts when he wrote that Guhil is said to have belonged to the Gurjara stock www.mewarindia.com/ency/guh.html |
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Post by Rampal on Aug 19, 2008 12:08:16 GMT 5.5
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Post by AP Singh on Aug 20, 2008 12:12:30 GMT 5.5
As posted on allempires.com
Question: why did the persians never conquer ancient India? I mean they were able to conquer Greece then why not India. Was India really powerfull or the reason is something else?
Answer:
They persians were not fools for not doing so since India was much more powerful than them at the time under the Gujjar Pratihar Emperors and in case of attack India the Persian Empire would have been lost to Gujjar Pratihar Emperors. This question should be asked in a reverse manner that why the Gujjar Pratihars Emperors of India even after having an army size of 80 Lakhs did not conquer Persia? It is because there was nothing to invade, in Persia that time since the horses and elephants used by the armies, could not be fed on petrol and diesel.
Hypothetically it is true that in present circumstances the Gujjar Pratihar Emperors would have conquered Persia to take control on vast reserve of oil in that region but the people are more civilised now.
It was Gujjar Power which defended India from 6th. century to 10th. century and it was possible the enter India from Arab side after the various fuedatories like Gujjar Tanwars of Delhi, Gujjar Chauhans of Sakambri, Gujjar Chandellas of Kalinjar,Gujjar Solankis of Patan, Gujjar Parmars of Dhar asserted independence from the Gujjar Pratihar empire and started fighting among themselves to gain supremacy over each other. Taking the advantage of the situation the other non Gujjar fuedatories like Kalchuris, and vassals like Rathors Kachwahs also formed their own state. At this point of time also it was not Persian empire which got hold in India but the Turks like Gaznavi and Ghori from Afghnistan. Since that part of afghanistan from where Gaznavi and Ghori belonged, was ruled by Gujjar Emperors, it can not be said that India was conquered but the right word will be that it was divided. These Turks were earlier Hindus only and the only difference between them and other Hindus were that these Afghans were converted to Muslim at earlier than other population.
Later India was conquered by Babar who was from present day Uzbekistan. That time also it were the Pathans who were among the most powerful ruler of India. They kept fighting among themselves and India was in fact offered to Babar. Later Sher Shah Suri expelled his Humayun from India and established Indian Empire again.
It was akbar who was the first alien ruler of India.
Edited by AP Singh - 28-Feb-2008 at 06:15
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Post by AP Singh on Aug 20, 2008 12:16:48 GMT 5.5
Question Originally posted by bilal_ali_2000: I think there were no Gujjars in 500 B.C. The time frame about which we are talking about about. And Turks were never Hindus, niether were they the natives of Afghanistan.
Answer: The Gujjar Kushans were rulers of India that time and the Persian Empire was much weaker than them.
Kushan is a branch of Gujjars and now days are called Kasana (with variations like Kansana, Kushana, Kasana etc).
Some of the famous Kasana Gujjars of the present era are Ex- President of India Late Shri Fakhrudin Ali Ahmed, Ex- MP of India Mrs. Rama Pilot ( Wife of late Shri Rajesh Pilot, Ex- Home Minister of India), Mr. Shoaib Akhtar ( Cricketer from Pakistan, setting the world record twice by achieving the speed of more than 100 miles per hours in two different Cricket World Cups), Business Tycoon from Japan Mr. Dinesh Kasana ( having his Own Industries in Japan ,China and chain of Restaurants in USA) etc. etc.
Also the majority of Gujjars found in presently in Jammu and Kashmir, Pakistan and Afghanistan are Gujjars of Kasana Gotra which confirms that Gujjar does not leave
their place of birth except when on conquering new areas or their services are required by their motherland.
The Gujjars are called in History by different names in Different languages. The are called Kuchelo in chinese, Gurjara in Sanskrit, Gujjar, Gujar in Hindi, Guzar in Urdu and Al-Juzr, Juzr, Jurz in Persian and Arabic etc. etc.
In Persian the Gurjaras are also written as Juzaria/Jurzia and thus Georgia ( also written as Jurjistan in many persian historical records) is named after Gujjar tribe, which also confirms the boundry of Gujjar Empire in that direction during the period of Gujjar Kushan Dynasty.
Also there are places in present day Uzbekistan named after the Gujjar tribe like Kasan and Guzar.
It is said that Gujjars in India came from Georgia but that is not true. The Gujjars went from India and conquered those territories. At the time of attack and defeats at the Hands of Huns the Gujjars of Georgia and India were separated from each others.
In Georgia, the Gujjars must have embraced Christian religion and lost their identity as Gujjars. The Christian religion started spreading in Georgia in the first century and we dont find even a single Christian Gujjar in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
The Huns at later stage were defeated in India by another Gujjar empire called Gujjar Pratihars. It was Bahuk Dhawal of Gujjar Solanki clan, a fuedatory of Gujjar Pratihar Emperor " Mihir Bhoja the Great" who defeated Huns and Huns were later assimilated among Gujjars. It was a practice that time to assimilate the clans having equal status among equals and presently the Huns are a celebareted Gotra of Gujjars.
Edited by AP Singh - 19-Apr-2008 at 11:08
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Post by AP Singh on Aug 20, 2008 12:29:56 GMT 5.5
The Ranas of Mewar also said that Babar and Akbar were having the blood of Bappa Rawal. Bappa Rawal was a fuedatory king of Nagabhatta the Great and was sent to Afghanistan to defeat the forces of invading Arabs. Bappa was Gujjar of Guhila gotra which is siad to a branch of Gujjar Solankis and thus a sub branch of Gujjar Chawras. Bappa left Chittor to his son which was given him to rule by his Gujjar Pratihar overlords and never return to the place of his birth and thus the theory Noserwan theory seems to right that these later invader might have had the Gujjar blood.
Chittor remained in control of Guhilas till the time of Allat and due to treacherous act of Allat who associated with another fuedatory of Gujjar Pratihars, the Gujjar Chauhan of sakambri and killed the Gujjar Emperor Dev Pal when the emperor was returning from Sakambri to release price Salvan of Gujjar Tanwar kingdom of Delhi from Sinhraj Chauhan. It was another fuedatory Munja Pramar ( another Gujjar Gotra) who came Malwa and killed Allat and deserted Guhilas from Chittor for about tree hundred years. Col Todd has falsely weaved the stories of Guhilas fighting alongwith the forces of Prithviraj Chauhan with Ghori, since Chittor was not ruled by the Guhilas at that point of time.
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Post by Jitender Dedha on Aug 24, 2008 22:17:16 GMT 5.5
AP bro who are dedha gurjars,last week a bhat came to our village Chilla and told us that dedha gurjars are decendents of lord lakshmaan.Have you any details .
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Aug 26, 2008 9:03:13 GMT 5.5
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Aug 26, 2008 9:39:25 GMT 5.5
The Ranas of Mewar also said that Babar and Akbar were having the blood of Bappa Rawal. Bappa Rawal was a fuedatory king of Nagabhatta the Great and was sent to Afghanistan to defeat the forces of invading Arabs. Bappa was Gujjar of Guhila gotra which is siad to a branch of Gujjar Solankis and thus a sub branch of Gujjar Chawras. Bappa left Chittor to his son which was given him to rule by his Gujjar Pratihar overlords and never return to the place of his birth and thus the theory Noserwan theory seems to right that these later invader might have had the Gujjar blood. Chittor remained in control of Guhilas till the time of Allat and due to treacherous act of Allat who associated with another fuedatory of Gujjar Pratihars, the Gujjar Chauhan of sakambri and killed the Gujjar Emperor Dev Pal when the emperor was returning from Sakambri to release price Salvan of Gujjar Tanwar kingdom of Delhi from Sinhraj Chauhan. It was another fuedatory Munja Pramar ( another Gujjar Gotra) who came Malwa and killed Allat and deserted Guhilas from Chittor for about tree hundred years. Col Todd has falsely weaved the stories of Guhilas fighting alongwith the forces of Prithviraj Chauhan with Ghori, since Chittor was not ruled by the Guhilas at that point of time. You are right AP bro, All of the Gujjar clans ruling surashtra and ujjain area including Chalukya, solanki, Maitrik (rulers of Vallabhi) and parmars were actually the descendents of the chap branch of Gujjars. Yashodharman a feudatory under Guptas was from this chap clan only. He was called the vikramaditya (some historians mistakingly assume chandragupt as vikramaditya while thats not true. "Gurjar Narpati" Yasodharman finished the huna kingdom in around 528 AD. His descendents were known as parmars and chalukyas. Another kingdom founded by his clan members was the vallabhi. It was ruled by Chap gujjars as Maitriks. Later the Guhilas(sisodia) emerged from the same maitrik clan. REGARDS ASHOK HARSANA |
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Post by bhushan on Sept 17, 2008 19:31:19 GMT 5.5
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