Gurjar Pratihaars By AP singh Ji

[Ashok Harsana]

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Gurjar Pratihars for Chaudhary Ashraf Gujjar
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<I>Posted: 5/12/2004 9:45:46 AM</I><br>Dear Chaudhary Ashraf Gujjar,I hope the following information shall help you.

At the time of Gurjar Pratihars the capital of India Delhi was called as Meharauli ( India including Pakistan, Afghanistan etc. at that time) . This is named after the most powerful king of Gurjar Pratihar Dynasty, Mihirbhoj Pratihar. It is made by two words Mihir and Avli means the home for Mihirbhoj. For further information and for documentary proof you may visit the following sites:

1. Rajput Resistance to the Muslim Aggression of India
... The Rajputs who till the 10th century were mostly local feudal lords holding the
status of revenue collectors for their Gurjara-Pratihara overlords, asserted ...
www.hindubooks.org/sudheer_birodkar/hindu_history/landrajput.html

2.Rajput
... Haryana region the Tomara originally feudatories of the Gurjara-Pratihara founded the city of Dhillika (Delhi) in 736. ...
kshatryas.tripod.com/ - 419k - Cached

3.Khajuraho Travel Guide, Chandelas of Khajuraho, Khajurho History, Khujraho Information, Khajuraho Travel Information, Kh
... The celebrated Pratihara kng, Mihir Bhoj was his contemporary. Mihir Bhoj had to fight many battles agains his ... by his brother in law Pratihar Mahil who was more of an ...
www.ekhajurahotourism.com/about-khajuraho/chandelas-of-khajuraho.html - 41k - Cached

4.Travel Agents in Gwalior India, Gwalior Travel Agents, Tour Operators in Gwalior, Indian Travel Agents, Travelling in In
... that Gwalior was also under the rule of Mihir Bhoj (836-882 AD). In the 10th Century, second ... Sculptures are of Gurjar Pratihar period( 7th century AD to 10th century ...
www.travel-agents-in-india.com/cities/travel-agent-in-gwalior.html - 20k - Cached
During Mihirbhoj the rulers of Delhi were Tanwars (Read Gujjar Tanwars since Rajput word was not there in dictionary at that point of time.) and were revenue collectors of Gujar King Mihir Bhoj Pratihar whose capital was Kannauj which is presently in UP.

That is the reason we still find a cluster of Gujjar Tanwar villages near Meharauli and local MLAs won from that particular assembly seats were always Gujjar Tanwars including Mr. Balram Singh Tanwar and Mr. Braham Singh Tanwar. The last king of this Dynasty was Anang Pal Tanwar in whose name the village Anang Pur is situated near Surajkund. Mr. Avtar Singh Bhadana (MP) And Mr. Kartar Singh Bhadana ( A minister in Haryana Government) belong to the same village.

The Suraj Kund was also built By Suraj Pal Tanwar of this dynasty. The last king of this Dynasty Anang Pal Tanwar the Maternal Grand Father of Prithviraj Chauhan had no son and during one of his trip to Haridwar to have a bath in Holy Ganges he left his capital in the hands of Prithviraj Chauhan ( the son of his daughter)who on his return did not allow him enter his kingdom and with 400 of his trusted body guards Anang Pal retired to Chambal valley but his followers used to engage Prithviraj Chauhan in Guerilla warfare but could never get back their kingdom back from Prithviraj Chauhan.

After the end of Prithviraj Chauhan rule they kept hitting at at Delhi by looting the Sarkari Kazanas and probably this is the reason the Chambal valley is still infested by dacoits who like to be called as baghis (Rebels).

Presently the Tanwars (Tomars, Toonwars) are called as Rajputs Thakurs and Pratihars (Padihars,Padiyar,Parihars)) are called as gujjars in that region.


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« Reply #2 on 6/1/04 at 14:29 »

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RESPECTED A.P SINGH

IT IS A GREAT SOURCE OF PLEASURE THAT GUJAR YOUTH IS AWARE OF THEIR HISTORY.THE DRAFTSMAN OF INDIAN CONSTITUTION DR AMBEDKAR WHO BELONGED TO DALIT FAMILY AND NOE HE HAS ACCEPTED THE BHUDHISM AS FAITH.THE ABOVE TITLED BOOK ALSO THROW LIGHT UPON THE TRUE HISTORY OF HINDUSTAN.I WILL RECOMMEND THAT ALL GUJJARS SHOULD REAG THE CONTENTS OF THIS BOOK.
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RESPECTED A.P SINGH

IT IS A GREAT SOURCE OF PLEASURE THAT GUJAR YOUTH IS AWARE OF THEIR HISTORY.THE DRAFTSMAN OF INDIAN CONSTITUTION DR AMBEDKAR WHO BELONGED TO DALIT FAMILY AND NOE HE HAS ACCEPTED THE BHUDHISM AS FAITH.THE ABOVE TITLED BOOK ALSO THROW LIGHT UPON THE TRUE HISTORY OF HINDUSTAN.I WILL RECOMMEND THAT ALL GUJJARS SHOULD REAG THE CONTENTS OF THIS BOOK.
www.ambedkar.org/research/Rajput-Period-Was-Dark-Age-Of-India.htm
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'fall and decline of bhudhism" by Dr Ambedkar
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RESPECTED A.P SINGH

IT IS A GREAT SOURCE OF PLEASURE THAT GUJAR YOUTH IS AWARE OF THEIR HISTORY.THE DRAFTSMAN OF INDIAN CONSTITUTION DR AMBEDKAR WHO BELONGED TO DALIT FAMILY AND NOE HE HAS ACCEPTED THE BHUDHISM AS FAITH.THE ABOVE TITLED BOOK ALSO THROW LIGHT UPON THE TRUE HISTORY OF HINDUSTAN.I WILL RECOMMEND THAT ALL GUJJARS SHOULD REAG THE CONTENTS OF THIS BOOK.
www.ambedkar.org/research/Rajput-Period-Was-Dark-Age-Of-India.htm
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« Reply #5 on 6/12/04 at 17:01 »

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The City of Bhopal the capital of MP in India was built by Gujjars Pratihara king Bhojpal. See the following information taken from authentic historical records for proof alongwith the details of the coin found from the mint of the Great King Bhoja or Mihir Bhoja whose vassals Gujjar Tomaras founded the city of Dhillika (Present capital of India) is shown as the incarnation of Vishnu on the coin.The picture of the coin can be sent on request to [e-mail]

By ninth century, the supremacy of northern India was taken over by another illustrious dynasty called Pratiharas which claimed descent from Lakhamana, brother of Lord Rama. The greatest king of pratihara dynasty was Bhoja I who took control of Kanyakubj (modern Kannauj) in 836 AD and created an empire which was similar in size of his predecessor, Harsha-Vardhana. He built a city Bhojpal (modern Bhopal, capital of Madhya Pradesh state) which was named after him. He was successful general and managed to defeat many of his powerful neighbours including the Gaudas of Bengal. Like Harsha-Vardhana, Bhoja too was a great patron of art and literature and famous poet Rajashekhar was in his court. He received foreign travellers like Sulaiman and Al Masudi who left account of their travels to India. Both talk highly of his superior cavalry and his fine administration.




Bhoja I
836-885 AD
Imperial Pratihars
silver drachm
Obverse: Aadivaraha, Anthropoid boar representing incarnation of Vishnu
Reverse: Fire altar and two attendants (Stylized), legends in Brahmi
Weight: 3.9 gm
MNW#336-348


Pratihara dynasty ruled for another 200 years although their dominion was never to the extent of during Bhoja's rule. In 1018, Kannauj then ruled by Rajyapala Pratihara was sacked by Mahmud of Gazni and that was beginning of the end of this illustrious dynasty of north India. Shown above is a coin minted by the great Pratihara king Bhoja I. The obverse show Aadivaraha, boar like incarnation of Lord Vishnu while reverse of the coin show stylized fire altar and two attendant. The deity Aadivaraha is supposedly holding earth by his snout. The vigour and strength of Aadivaraha's image on these coin amply show die engraver's knowledge of scultptures of that era. Altar and attendant motif was borrowed from Sassanaian coins which possibly came in India due to trade from Sassanian ruled Persia. The coins of Bhoja were immencely popular in medieval period and were extensively copied by his successors. All the kings of Pratihara dynasty minted exact same coin which were introduced by Bhoja I. Although the coins of later rulers of Pratihara dynasty were more stylized and heavily debased.


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« Reply #6 on 6/14/04 at 23:40 »

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dear A.P Singh

would you like to inform me about the history of salumber or lomberr or lumberr gotra of gujars populated in India.i want to confirm the source of my information which is as under,
<there is a name of place in odaipur named after salumber which is known as the estate of chundawat clan which has been the ruling tribe in the area of mewar and rajastan.rana rattan singh salumber was our ascendant who defeated mughal emperor.>
my ancestors migrated from Ambala in 1947.
i would be grearfull if you help me regarding the confirmation of my source of information.



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« Reply #7 on 6/18/04 at 17:10 »

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Dear Younas,
While finding our roots we have to go through the historical facts very carefully. Based on the following historical records I am of the following opinion. The copy of authentic proof is also copied along with reference sites.
1.By the end of the 10th century, the Pratihara feudatories--Cauhans (Cahamanas), Candellas (Chandelas), Guhilas, Kalacuris, Paramaras, and Caulukyas (also called Solankis)--were asserting their independence, although the last of the Pratiharas survived until 1027. See Encylopeadia Britannica at (http://www.kat.gr/kat/History/Ancient/India5.htm).or my next mail.
This proves that Guhilas or Guhilots were our Feudatories.
2. God Devnarayan was a born Gujjar ( Father Baghrawat Chauhan Sawai Bhoj and Mother was the daughter of the king of Malwa of Gotra Khatana). It is historical blunder to call everybody as rajput though the term did not exist before 14th. century. Refer Rana Sanga's Devra (Temple), Chittorgarh. Situated south of Shringar Chanwari, this small temple was built by Sanga (Maharana SANGRAM SINGH I) for worshipping Bhagwan Devanarayan; it is believed the Maharana, to sanctify his armour, used to wear it in this temple before going into battle. Web site www.mewarindia.com/ency/ran.html
As per our hindu culture Khastryas worship only our own forefathers as god. This Proves that Guhilas were not only fuedatories of Gurjar Pratihars but related by blood.
3.Gurjar Pratihars Built small states and forts all over India like Nagda ( Nagdhara), Kuchaman Fort and Saloombra:
For example see Kuchaman Fort at www.60kph.com/interact/drovelake.htm

Among Rajasthan’s several such inhabitations, Kuchaman is not just another fort township. It can offer a traveler a lot to see, experience and enjoy apart from comfort. The majestic fort built atop a steep hill is an architectural beauty and most famous for its water management provisions. How the fort taps the wind-power for cooling purposes is also worth viewing. It was built by the kings of Gurjar Pratihar dynasty for the Kuchaman’s strategic position near Sambhar salt lake. They controlled the salt trade for almost as much as 200 years and became rich until they were vanquished by Chauhans. Then came Gaurs followed by Rathores who are still powerful there.
4. The chief of some of these states used to be called by the name of their state like saloombra ( Head of Salumbar) and not by their Gotras. See Annal and antiquities of Rajasthan by Col Todd page 261. Some of the heads of these chowkies were defeated by others after the fall of the Imperial Gurjaras and the title was taken by them. For Example see How the Guhilas, Guhilots became Rana and Sisodia.http://www.mewarindia.com/ency/ran.html

Sisodia, the major clan of Mewar since Maharana HAMIR SINGH I (1326-1364). Prior to that, since Guhil (569-586) founded the dynasty, the original Guhilot family ruled Mewar. However, in the 12th century, Chittor came under attack and the Mewar capital was relocated at AHAR. It was during this period that there was a FAMILY SPLIT. For reasons unknown, the breakaway occurred possibly towards the end of the reign of Rawal KARAN (RAN) SINGH I (1158-1168). Two of his sons, Mahap and Rahap, quit Ahar, possibly in anger that another son, KSHEM SINGH had been declared Karan's heir. Mahap established a small, independent kingdom at Dungarpur. Rahap defeated Mokal, the Parihara Prince of Mandor at SISODA. He established a junior branch of the Guhilot family at Sisoda, naming his clan Sisodias after the town, and taking the title of 'Rana'.
www.mewarindia.com/ency/ran.html
5. The Title Rana belonged to only Imperial gujaras and the chiefs related with blood used to be called as Rana of Salumbar, Rana of Nagraha, but within the imperial Gurjars it was fondly as saloombra (The Rana of salumbar), Nagdi (Nagri and now a days written as Nagar) (The rana of Nagda).

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« Reply #8 on 6/18/04 at 17:34 »

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For salumber gujar younas with regards.
A copy of the historical record taken from the Encylopeadia Britannica at website(http://www.kat.gr/kat/History/Ancient/India5.htm) as a proof in support of my statement made in my earlier mail.

India
750-c. 1200
Northern India
The tripartite struggle
The 8th century saw a struggle for control over the central Ganges Valley, focusing on Kannauj, among the Gurjara-Pratihara, the Rastrakuta, and the Pala dynasties. The Pratiharas rose to power in the Avanti-Jalaor region and used western India as a base. The Calukyas fell about 753 to one of their own feudatories, the Rastrakutas under Dantidurga, who established a dynasty. The Rastrakuta interest in Kannauj probably centred on the trade routes from the Ganges Valley. This was the first occasion on which a power based in the Deccan made a serious bid for a pivotal position in northern India. From the east the Palas also participated in the competition. They are associated with Pundravardhana (Bogra district), and their first ruler, Gopala (c. 750-770), included Vanga in his kingdom and gradually extended his control to the whole of Bengal.

Vatsaraja, a Pratihara ruler who came to the throne about 778, controlled eastern Rajasthan and Malava. His ambition to take Kannauj brought him into conflict with the Pala king, Dharmapala (c. 770-810), who had by this time advanced up the Ganges Valley. The Rastrakuta king Dhruva (c. 780-793) attacked each in turn and claimed to have defeated them. This initiated the so-called tripartite struggle. Dharmapala soon retook Kannauj and put his nominee on the throne. The Rastrakutas were preoccupied with problems in the south. Vatsaraja's successor, Nagabhata II (c. 793-833), reorganized Pratihara power, attacked Kannauj, and for a short while reversed the situation. However, soon afterward he was defeated by the Rastrakuta king Govinda III (793-814), who in turn had to face a confederacy of southern powers that kept him involved in Deccan politics, leaving northern India to the Pratiharas and Palas. Bhoja I (c. 836-885) revived the power of the Pratiharas by bringing Kalañjara (Banda district), and possibly Kannauj as well, under Pratihara control. Bhoja's plans to extend the kingdom, however, were thwarted by the Palas and the Rastrakutas. More serious conflict with the latter ensued during the reign of Krishna II (c. 878-914).

An Arab visitor to western India, the merchant Sulayman, referred to the kingdom of Juzr (which is generally identified as Gurjara) and its strong and able ruler, who may have been Bhoja. Of the successors of Bhoja, the only one of significance was Mahipala (c. 908-942), whose relationship with the earlier king remains controversial. Rajasekhara, a renowned poet at his court, implies that Mahipala restored the kingdom to its original power, but this may be an exaggeration. By the end of the 10th century, the Pratihara feudatories--Cauhans (Cahamanas), Candellas (Chandelas), Guhilas, Kalacuris, Paramaras, and Caulukyas (also called Solankis)--were asserting their independence, although the last of the Pratiharas survived until 1027.
Meanwhile Devapala (c. 810-850) was reasserting Pala authority in the east and, he claimed, in the northern Deccan. The end of the 9th century, however, saw the decline of the Pala kingdom, with feudatories in Kamarupa (modern Assam) and Utkala (Orissa) taking independent titles. Pala power revived during the reign of Mahipala (c. 988-1038), although its stronghold now was Bihar rather than Bengal. Further attempts to recover the old Pala territories were made by Ramapala, but Pala power gradually declined. There was a brief revival of power in Bengal under the Sena dynasty (c. 1070-1289).

In the Rastrakuta kingdom, Amoghavarsa (c. 814-878) faced a revolt of officers and feudatories but managed to survive and reassert Rastrakuta power despite intermittent rebellions. Campaigns in the south against Vengi and the Gangas kept Amoghavarsa preoccupied and prevented him from participating in northern politics. The Rastrakuta capital was moved to Manyakheta (Malkhed, in Andhra Pradesh), doubtlessly to facilitate southern involvements, which clearly took on more important dimensions at this time. Sporadic campaigns against the Pratiharas, the Eastern Calukyas, and the Colas (Cholas), the new power of the south, continued (see below The Deccan and the south: The Colas). Indra III (914-927) captured Kannauj, but, with mounting political pressures from the south, his control over the north was inevitably short-lived. The reign of Krishna III (c. 939-968) saw a successful campaign against the Colas, a matrimonial alliance with the Gangas, and the subjugation of Vengi. Rastrakuta power declined suddenly, however, after the reign of Indra, and this was fully exploited by the feudatory Taila.

Taila II (973-997), who traced his ancestry to the earlier Calukyas of Vatapi, ruled a small part of Bijapur. Upon the weakening of Rastrakuta power, he defeated the king, declared his independence, and founded what has come to be called the Later Calukya dynasty. The kingdom included southern Karnataka, Konkan, and the territory as far north as the Godavari. By the end of the 10th century, the Later Calukyas clashed with the ambitious Colas. The Calukyas' capital was subsequently moved north to Kalyani (in Bidar). Campaigns against the Colas took a more serious turn during the reign of Somesvara I (1043-68), with alternating defeat and victory. The Later Calukyas, however, by and large retained control over the western Deccan despite the hostility of the Colas and of their own feudatories. In the middle of the 12th century, however, a feudatory, Bijjala (1156-67) of the Kalacuri dynasty, usurped the throne at Kalyani. The last of the Calukya rulers, Somesvara IV (1181-c. 1189), regained the throne for a short period, after which he was overthrown by a feudatory of the Yadava dynasty.


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« Reply #9 on 7/15/04 at 20:47 »

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Thank You AP, you have enhanced my knowledge on Gurjars. There were and are people who willingly distorted Gurjar history because Gurjars never allowed submissive behavour and resited and retaliated every move of the enemy. There was time particularly after Mohd Ghaznavi when Gurjars were loosing control over the political map of India. Zealous of Gurjars behavour and courage, some other castes spied for Muslim invaders and even to Britishers and every move of Gujrars against these foreigners, were discussed in the enemy camps. Because these anti-Gurjar people wanted to grab the Gurjar lands. There is one example : A Gurjar (khatana gotra) south of Delhi caught an Firiangi (english man) and engaged him whole day in the field during summer season. In the evening a Rajput saw and requested to Khatana Gurjar to release that Gora Saheb. That English man went straight to Delhi and reported the matter. Next day whole land of 5 khatana villages were registered in the name of that Rajput. During the passage of time these gurjars got their land only in exchange of money. There are several stories like this. It is true that politically and economically Gurjars are far behind of Jaat, Ahirs and Brahims. Gurjars fought for the country and got nothing. Treacherous people are ruling this country. Alas!! Gurjars are nowhere in the modern history written by treaterous people of India. This is like the story of Prithviraj Chauhan and Mohd Ghori and Ghanavi. O brave and patriotic people of India, awake, awake, awake. Fight the enemy and do good of India my countrymen. JAI HIND



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Hi Harish,
Here is some more information for you.
The main Gujjar Gotras are Pratihars,Solankis, Chauhans Chawras, Chandellas and Tanwar, Dhama, etc. and others are their braches and sub branches. The descendents of these clans are Hindus as well Muslims including Rajputs of both religions.

The Gotras having the title of Rana like Bhadana, Kasana, Adhana, Harshana, Chaprana, Salumbra ( Rana of Salumber, Salumber is place in Rajasthan), Nagdee called Nagar (Rana of Nagda, Nagda is a place in MP of very strategic importance during those days to control the trade route of Salt. This place is also called as Nagraha or serpentine route), Khatana, are mostly Gujjar Pratihars. This is due to the fact that only the overlords were called as Rana and their queens as Ranis. Later this title was also used by other Gujjar clans like Chauhans of Ghoga Bapa fame ( like Kalsana)and Guhilas ( a branch of Gujjar Solankis of Patan Gujrat of Bapa Rawal, Maharana Sanga and Maharan Pratap fame) after defeating some small Pratihars kingdoms in located in Rajasthan much later than 1036 AD after the fall of Pratihar kingdom kannauj to Muslim invaders.
It was not Gaznavid raids which blown over Gujjar Pratihars kingdoms but the infighting among various Gujjar clans like Chauhans, Chandellas, Parmars,Chalukyas (Solankis), Chawras and Tanwars.

The second reasons that there was very little in Afghanistan in the place of Gaznavis,and Ghoris similar to Mongolia to attract Gujjar conquerors like MihirBhoj Pratihar, Sidraj Jaisingh Solanki and Kumarpal Solanki, as there is little today to lure builders of factories and high-rises. This reason gave enough time for Gaznavis and Ghoris to gain strength and to wait for right opportunity to attack during the reign of weak Gujjar rulers.

The Kingdom of the Pratiharas were divided into various principalities of various of Gujjar clans like Patan (Gujrat) was under the Chalukyas, Ajmer by Chauhans, the Bundelkhand by Chandellas, Chittor by Guhilas, Malwa by Parmars and Non-Gujjar Fuedatrories of Pratihars who became independent were Kachhaghal (Kachwaha) of Gwalior and Kalachuris and Chedis of central India.
The process of the disintegration of the Pratihara empire continued , by the 10th Century AD the empire shrunk into a small kingdom. In 1018AD when Mahmud Ghaznavi invaded Kannauj the ruler Rajapala decided not to face him but fled the city. This caused resentment in the Chandela ruler Gauda, who sent his son Vidydhar to invade Kannauj. He defeated and killed Rajyapala but placed Trilochanpala Rajyapala's son on the throne. The last ruler of the dynasty was Jasapala who ruled up to 1036 AD before Pratihara dynasty came to an end.


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There is a place in north Bengal Pratirajpur named after Gurjar Pratihars. This also shows that the boundries of Gujjar kingdom were up to Gujrat to Bengal and Sindh to Karnataka. This fact is recorded in an inscription pillar found in Dinajpur (now in Bangladesh)of Gurjar Pratihar king Mahendra Pal, son of king Mihir Bhoja.
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Re: Gurjar Pratihars for Chaudhary Ashraf Gujjar
« Reply #12 on 8/18/05 at 22:39 »

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Hi All Gurjars....

Dear AP singh Ji Please give me some more information about my Gotra "Harsana' or "Harshana"......I would be really thankful to you...............

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Hi Ashok,
I would certainly inform you when I get some information about your gotra. Most likely you may belong to Pratihar branch of Gujjars. But it may be from Gujjar Chauhan branch or Guhil branch ( of Solnki Stock). Like Kalsana branch of Gujjars are also Rana but of Chauhan clan. in case you can provide me more information reagrding your ancestors that would help.
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Re: Gurjar Pratihars for Chaudhary Ashraf Gujjar
« Reply #14 on 8/23/05 at 8:14 »

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Hi All Gurjars,

Hello AP Singh Ji.....

I am from a village called Bandhwari,
(Delhi-Gurgaon Border, Right on the Gurgaon-Faridabad)highay)

But According to my parents and Grand Parents, we are originally from Jaisalmer, Rajasthan. We Shifted to a place named Dadri (UP) and then finally moved to Haryana.

There are two-three villages after my surname "Harsana" . One of these villages is in Sonipat named "Harsana Kalan" and the other is in Rajsthan named "Harsana Malcha."

Please find out something about our Surname in history Although I have read a lot of books on Gurjar History But I couldnt anything find apart from two three lines saying "harsanas are the childs of Harishchandra"

Now I am not sure which Harishchandra was that??
Because there were more than three Harishcahndras
in the History One was Satyavadi Raja Harishchandra, Other was the Pratihaar King of Mandor and the last one was also at the same time ruling near kannauj with the name of Harishchandra Brahman(-gurjar-?)pratihar clan.


After seeing your deep knowlidge I am sure that you will solve this mystery. My parents told me that Harsana is considered as a vey pure and high level Gotra in Gurjars, They are very particular in customs related to marriage- and Death Etc.

Reagards

Ashok Harsana



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« Reply #15 on 8/25/05 at 11:45 »

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Hi Ashok,
In my opinion the Mandor factor seems to be logical.
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« Reply #16 on 8/25/05 at 19:47 »

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dear ashok,

Once there was a village 'harsoli-kheda' on the Palwal-Nuh road. Alas, it is no more. This village was inhabited by Harsana gurjars. During the muslim rules, as you know, nobody was safe and village and basti people, particularly Gurjars were always on the run. Not only this particular village, but there were atleast 7-8 villages (mostly gurjars) who just left their names not people.. They are now history. I gained this knowledge from my elders. Even my village (Mandori, near Mandkola) came on the scene just 200 years back. We came from village Pali-Pakad (near Ballabhgarh). And, Pali-Pakad gurjars came from Rajasthan. Hence, people were moving and shifting from place to place.

We will talk on phone some day..

harish bhadana


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« Reply #17 on 8/28/05 at 17:17 »

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Hello all The Gurjars,

Thanks Harish Bhai and AP singh Ji,

Harish Bhai there is a village called "Khodeka" Near Palwal. Harsanas are still found in that village.

But My question regarding the origin of my surname is still unanswered.....Can Anyone help.....

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Ashok Harsana
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« Reply #18 on 9/6/05 at 12:09 »

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Hi All,
See the following site and visit the different cities of Gujaarat and see atleast half of them are built or named after the Great Gujjar King Siddhraj Jai Singh of Gujjar Solanki dynasty.

www.indiantravelportal.com/gujarat/siddhpur/

CITIES
Ahmedabad Gandhinagar Porbandar
Anand Gondal Palitana
Bhavnagar Halvad Rajkot
Bhuj Idar Siddhpur
Champaner Junagarh Surat
Chhota Udepur Jamnagar Vansada
Dwarka Kachchh Vadodara
Dabhoi Lakhpat Wadhvan
Danta Morbi Wankaner
Dharampur Mandvi Zinzuwada
Dhoraji Patan
Gandhidham Palanpur

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Hi mazhar,
Please see this thread how Delhi and Bhopal is founded and named after the Great Gujjar King Mihir Bhoj. This area was ruled by Gujjar parmars, the other fuedatories of Gujjar pratihars.
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Hi Everybody,
Here is the information about the city named after great Gujjar King Siddh Raj Solanki. Also there is information about Bohra Muslims. Bohra Muslims are considered to Bohra Brahmins before conversion to Muslim religion.
I have seen some postings in this site where Muslims are shown in India in a bad shape. That is not true. These people who are posting this kind of information probably belong to very low society and are always ready to spit venom on others. Sometimes these people are writing by posing themselves as Gujjars or Rajputs to ignite fight among others and to see the Tamasha. Beware of them since they dont deserve a response.
I will ask one question from them. If Muslims in India are in bad shape then who is Asif ji Prem ji, the owner of Wipro, one of the leading IT Company in India? Does he belong to their community.

Beautiful Mansions Of Merchants In A Sacred Town
Siddhpur is an ancient sacred town on the banks of the Saraswati River. It finds mention in the Skanda Purana as Sristhala. Siddhpur derives its name from the great ruler of Gujarat, Siddhraj Jaisinh, who constructed a magnificent Shiva Temple called Rudra Mahalaya, in 12th century AD, at this town. The entire townscape of Siddhpur is dotted with temples, 'kunds', 'ashrams' and sacred buildings along the banks of the Saraswati River.

In ancient times, the urban structures of Siddhpur were influenced by two significant aspects- the natural features of the Saraswati river and the man-made feature of the Rudra Mahalaya.
Prime Attractions
Religious Rituals: The unique geographical feature of the Saraswati stream turning eastwards lends special sanctity to this place. For all the Hindus, this is the place to perform the 'Matru Shraddh' (the ritual ceremony for maternal spirits). This significance is the reason for the large population of Brahmins, who act as priests in such ceremonies. These ceremonies are performed at Kapilamuni Ashram, where 3 sacred water 'kunds' exist-Gyan Vapika, Alpa Sarovar and Bindu Sarovar. For anyone interested in the Hindu religious ceremonies, it is well worth a visit.

Thali Building: On the opposite bank of the Saraswati river, there is an architecturally interesting building, known as Thali building, built by Ahilyabai Holkar, queen of Indore, a famous Maratha queen who patronized many such building projects in all the important Hindu pilgrimage centres of India.

Rudra Mahalaya: The ancient texts describe Rudra Mahalaya as a magnificent Shiva Temple with a three-storeyed 'shikhara', 1600 pillars, 12 entrance doors, central 'mandapa' and porches on east, north and south and sanctum in west. Around the temple, there were 11 shrines of Rudra.

The eastern gate was adorned with beautifully carved 'Toran', with a flight of steps leading to the Saraswati river. Ulugh Khan and Ahmed Shah of Ahmedabad ruthlessly destroyed this magnificent Shiva Temple, in the late 13th century or early 14th century. The cells on the surrounding walls were converted in to a mosque.

Mansions Of Bohra Muslims: Siddhpur is a major centre of the Bohra Muslims from few centuries. The Bohras are a rich and cultured community spread all over the major cities of the world. They are deeply attached to their native town of Siddhpur and regularly visit the town for important social ceremonies.

About a century ago, they built very beautiful mansions in a typical architectural style, from the wealth earned abroad. The well laid out paved streets, service lanes, mosques, perfect arrangement of row houses with profusely decorated facades using a common architectural vocabulary is a direct outcome of the collective vision of the Guilds of Bohra merchants.

For any visitor, a visit to the Bohravad is a must and it will be a wonderful experience to suddenly discover such a perfect example of urban design in the middle of chaotic Indian urbanization.
Excursions
Vadnagar: (42 km from Siddhpur) Vadnagar finds mention in many Hindu 'Puranas' and in the travelogue of great Chinese traveller, Hieu-en-Tsang (7th century), as a rich and flourishing town. The inscription on Arjun Bari Gate confirms King Kumarapla built the fortification of the city in 1152 AD.

Sharmishta Talav: The town sits on the high bank of Sharmistha Talav, with an overlooking promenade, in a crescent and a series of steps leading to the tank. The fortification and undulating skyline mirorred in the water of Sharmistha Talav lend a picturesque quality to the whole composition.

Kirti Toran: It is located on the bank of Sharmishta Talav, on a road going down from Arjun Bari. It is among the few surviving examples of the entrance gates, once a regular feature of the architecture of Gujarat in Solanki period.

Architectural treatment and the exquisite stone carvings on every part remind one of Rudra Mahalaya at Siddhpur. Next to it, remains of one of the twin 'toran' provide an opportunity to appreciate the sculptural details.
TRAVEL INFORMATION
How To Get There
Air: Nearest airport is Ahmedabad (111 km).

Rail: Siddhpur is a railway station on Ahmedabad-New Delhi railway line.

Road: It is connected with Ahmedabad and Mehsana by road route.

Local transport: non-metered auto rickshaws.
Where To Stay
One can find reasonable accommodation in local guesthouses and dharamshalas.
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Hi Gujjars,
Here is some information about Patan, the place of Chawra and Solanki Gujjars from where they ruled India for more than 250 years.

PATAN

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Location:130 Kms From Ahmedabad, Gujarat.
Founded In: 1796 AD.
Originally Called As: Anhil Vad Pattan.
Speciality: Patola Sarees.

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The historic town of Patan founded in 1796 AD is situated on the river Saraswati, about 51 kms from Mehsana and 130 kms from Ahmedabad . Originally known as Anhil-Vad-Pattan, it flourished during the Solanki Dynasty and has some interesting monuments.

The streets of its older quarters present an interesting look with a mélange of carved balconies, lintels of Muslim havelis, marble domes and the canopies of the over 100 Jain temples.

Patan is celebrated world over for its exquisite Patola silk saree woven here. Patan is a beautiful old town with Jain temples and caned wooden houses. Ranaki Vav (step-well) and Sahastralinga Talav or Lake are also interesting places to visit in Patan.

PRIME ATTRACTIONS
Rani Ni Vav Or Rani Uday Mati Vav: It is one of the largest step wells in Gujarat. It was built during the last decade of the 11th century by Rani Udaymati in memory of her husband, Bhimdeva I of the Chalukya Dynasty. The Vav is decorated with around 800 stone sculptures and reliefs. There are impressive images of Gods of the Hindu pantheon in their various incarnations with their consorts. No other step-well in India is as profusely adorned as this.

Sahastralinga Talav: It occupies the northwestern part of the city. It's on the left bank of the river Saraswati. The Talav is reputed to have been built by Siddharaja Jaisinh, the Chalukyan ruler. Pentagonal in shape, it is spread over an area of 17 hectares. The most interesting of the relics are the channels, the well, steps and side elevation of the pond.

Shamlaji: One of the principal Vaishnav shrines of Gujarat, Shamlaji, or 'the dark one', is one aspect of Krishna, an incarnation of Vishnu. It is situated 126 kms from Ahmedabad .

Patola Silk Saree: The Patan Patola is one of the finest hand-woven textiles produced today. It combines the art of tying and dyeing of the warp and weft threads and their weaving together, when each warp thread is carefully placed against the corresponding colours. Besides Patan, the double Ikat is woven only in Bali in Indonesia.

HOW TO GET THERE
Air: Nearest airport is Ahmedabad .

Rail: Linked with Ahmedabad.

Road: State transport buses and private luxury coaches connects various centres of Gujarat. It is situated 130 kms from Ahmedabad .


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Hi Gujjars,

Many Historian blames Gujjars that even after having four armies of 9,00,000 men in each direction the Gujjars could have easily easily exterminated the Arab invaders in the Sindh province and beyond but they allowed it to remain there.

In my earlier postings I have given enough reasons for Imperial Gujjar Pratihars not to attack afghanistan even after having best of army comprising a rich army of 36,00,000 men having horeses and camels and best of the Generals in the form of the people of thier own clans of Chauhans, Guhilas,Tanwars,Solankis,Parmars and Non clan vassals like Rathores, Kalchuris, Kushwahas etc.

The main reason was that there was very little to attract them beyond Sindh in Afghanistan and arab Deserts since Oil was useless that point of time.

One more reason as mentioned by various visiting Arab scholars in their literature was a temple located in Sindh. The Arab Muslims used to take shelter in this temple to protect them from Gujjars armies.

The Gujjars found in Afghanistan and in Pakistan at Afghanistan borders now a days are the Gujjars of the Imperial Gujjar srmy posted there at that time. They all speak Rajasthani Gojri, all are well built and share the same Gotras of Gujjars of Rajasthan and Delhi with little variation of pronunciation (Like Toor of Afghanistan are the Tuar,Tanwar,Toonwar of Delhi and Rajasthan who are the founder of Delhi).

See the following link:

www.bharatvani.org/books/hhrmi/ch2.htm

Arab travellers to India of the 10th century “all speak of only two independent Arab principalities with Multan and Mansurah as their capitals”. The Pratihara kings waged constant war “against the Arab prince of Multan, and with the Mussalmans, his subjects on the frontier”. Multan would have been lost by the Arabs but for a Hindu temple. Dr. Misra quotes Al-Istakhri who wrote about AD 951 that in Multan “there is an idol held in great veneration by the Hindus and every year people from distant parts undertake pilgrimages to it… When the Indians make war upon them and endeavour to seize the idol, the inhabitants [Arabs] bring it out pretending that they will break it and burn it. Upon this the Indians retire, otherwise they would destroy Multan.” Finally, he observes: “Thus after three centuries of unremitting effort, we find the Arab dominion in India limited to two petty states of Multan and Mansurah. And here, too, they could exist only after renouncing their iconoclastic zeal and utilizing the idols for their own political ends. It is a very strange sight to see them seeking shelter behind the very budds, they came here to destroy.”13


It has to be kept in mind all along that the Arab empire in this period was the mightiest power on earth. Compared to this monolithic and highly militarised giant, the Hindu principalities of Sindh and other border areas were no better than pygmies. Yet the pygmies had the last laugh at the end of the 10th century when the Islamised Turks took over from the Arabs the Islamic crusade against “Sind and Hind”. It was the old story of Alexander and the small republics of the Punjab and Sindh, all over again.

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Rajpoot are spreading more misinformation by stealing our history and presenting it as theirs. Even in international media like Discovery chanel And History chanel
,Rajpoot are shown as " Indian Warriors Called Kshatriya" ,such a blesphemy .Wikipedia has been now sabotaged for this propaganda and they are presenting themselves as only vedic dynasty and they have locked the wiki articles on gurjars after posting their delibrate conspired theoreical crap such as Gurjar came from cental asia and are foreigners ;that is, they are smacking their history on us. Its confirmed that they are of scythian stock from central asia who came here after being disposed by arabs and mongols .Now they are also claiming that Harsh Vardhan (Harshan=Harsana) was their king by posting some idiotic mismatch of criss-crossed confusion and fabrication .They also deleted names of great gurjar personalities from list in gurjar articles and instead added them in their list as rajput .Its they who have been waging their tails like pet dogs for mughals for 400 years and then for british until independence .All they did up to this time was to laze off in alcohal and women and now they show more proof of their dirty mentality by stealing our history by bribing britisher(big shitter) historians and Indian historians .They say they are "real king who have saved india from days ancient" ,what were they doing when Nadir shah looted delhi and massacred 200000+ innocent civillians .And when the british came, instead of fighting them ,they welcomed them and entertained them .British have been saying that rajpoots were their puppets all the while and they helped 20000 british occupy a land of 20 times more population by assisting them in battles against Indian kings.Now after british have gone they are againg decieving the Indian nation by bribing the historians to put them in good light and show them as patriots while most of them are traitors like Jai Chand .
Gurjar Vansh is the confedration of all the various real and true vedic kshatriya clans of solar and lunar lineages and their branches from the end of mahabharat times, this only explains their having more than 1200 clans and population spread accross all the northern sub continent progenated from 5000+ years ;not like rajpoots who barely have 36 clans so far devepod only in 700 years more or less;
and they say in their fabricated versions of puranas that they arose to annihilate buddhism and save brahmins ( they seem to have forgot that Harsh was buddhist) . Which kshatriya will annihilate one Indian religion for another Indian religion ? here they seem more like arabs than kshatriya. All they did was to betray their kings to foreign invaders in course of thousand years and grab their kingdoms and afterwards FORGE fictious vanshavali/lineage histories to legtimize their claims . Its they who betrayed us to mughals and to british ;nobody else.They say they're Rama descendents ; where were they when the historians were denouncing Kusha(Shri Rama Chandra'son) descendents i.e. Kushans as some non aryan tribes from central asia.
For experienced persons ,the shortcomming of internet are well known and Wikipedia is already notorious as lying propaganda tool for America and Britain because they controll it and China because they constantly monitor and filter it.But for a novice and everyone in general around the world wikipedia like internet databases are primary sources for getting information and knowledge about us.So its of utter and imediate importance that
... all those who are in professions dealing with computer and softwares ,all major gurjar research institutions, as well as all those spend much time on internet and all who can
......must contantly monitor carefully all informational content on internet espescially Wikipedia ,filter it and keep it under alert and strict vigil , and in correct state and manner so that nobody whether petty rajpoot ,pahari,kashmiri ,meena ,ahir or any d**n body are able steal our proud history and heritage from us anymore and that nobody desrespects or derogates us or our reputation in front of the world ever again .Lets take bake what is rightfully ours starting from this.
All proud gurjars ,...take action against plagiarism of Gurjar history by rajpoots, earnestly and immediatly without further ado and not let this insult happen anymore what so ever at all

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