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Post by Deepak Dedha on Nov 5, 2009 2:56:34 GMT 5.5
I was reading an article on a website that had an interview of British Historian William Dalrymple, the same author, who wrote White Mughals, Last Mughals etc. Since he lives somewhere around Mehrauli or Gurgaon, he mentioned Gujjars in this interview. One of that is mentioned as: Dalrymple, comfortable in a sky-blue Indian cotton shirt and khaki trousers, lounged in the cane furniture parked in the shade on the velvet green lawn, colourfully recounting to visitors how his home is nearly equidistant from the Google and Microsoft Asia headquarters in Gurgaon as well as villages belonging to the nomadic Gujjar people.Later in the interview, he said the following: Since I have been living here we had all that stuff about reservation for Gujjars. This is a Gujjar area. We could not leave the house for a week. We may be half a mile from Microsoft Asia, but we are less than half a mile from the Gujjars too. And little things like we have had to employ a Gujjar chowkidar. If we had a Jat here we would be in troubleWhat does he mean,"We could not leave the house for a week" and then , "If we had a Jat here we would be in trouble". Why is he scared of them or is he accussing both Gujjars and Jats as a possible threat who may loot him? or Is he referring to Gujjar agitation becuase of which he couldn't move out of his home? But then why is he saying if Jats were there, he would be in more trouble. Source: news.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/nov/03/slide-show-1-william-dalrymple-on-nine-lives.htm
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Post by AP Singh on Nov 6, 2009 13:49:37 GMT 5.5
He is a historian of RC Majumdar Catagory, the who suffered from an illness called selective blindness for the reasons best known to them.
RC Majumdar has done serious blunders with Gujjar History proving that Gujjar Pratihars were Brahmins. He went blind to an extent that he read Bhandi ( A General and maternal uncle of Harshvardhana who was defeated by Daddat Gujjar of Bharocah)as Bhatti a Gujjar tribe in his mission. Later he accepted in one his interview that he was influenced by KM Munshi, a brahmin politician.
Fortunately RC Majumdar has not written a commentary over Mahabharata otherwise he would have read Arjuna a Maharathi and Maharandi ( a great prostitute) by applying the same standard of his reading Bhatti as Bhandi. Unfornately Arjuna has hidden himself in the gress as an Eunuch for a year and we would have been busy finding whether Arjauna was male, female or Eunuch?
This people should not be called historians but as fiction writers and in fiction they should be allowed to use the name of community like Gujjars who ruled the India and Centrral Asia duding the days of Kushan Empire for more than 350 Years and again during Gujjar Pratihar Empire for more than 350 years.
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Post by Gujjar on Nov 23, 2009 13:34:54 GMT 5.5
Mr. A.P.Singh & Gujjar Brothers, offcourse it was a great betryal by a brahmn k m munshi who tried to prove in his books about Gujjars as their origin belongs to brahmns and every one who migrated or living in Gujarat is a Gujjar. After wards persons like R.C Majumarr tried to use the theories in the way which hey want.Thats why now a days mostly websites, wikipedia etc always tells us that Gujjars are mixture of khastrias and brahmans.If in one or two areas brahman calling themselves as Gujjars than how can it be implemated through out the Gujjars of subcontinent even muslim Gujjars call themselves khastrias.Was it possible through caste system even today in modern times gujjars marries into Gujjars.K.M.Munshi research about Gujjars was remarkable but his hostirical dishonesty about the origin of Gujjars was not less than britishes who made the word rajput as an alternative of khashtrya. Is it not a matter of shame that who sided the foreigners aganst their own country are witten as deffenders and deffenders are written as criminals.Media is serving so much to these as showing them thakurs who always want to die his honor,as a landlord, as a principaly criminal. infact,there was no caste as rajput in this country before the muslim invaders.This wrd as caste not used in any regional local book,there was no area after their name in this country before britishers and never this word was a part of the name of any Raja.Are these still secrets from the histirians.No,not at all,actually no body wants to take pain for these facts.Our commmunity persons also tries to prove their foreign origin like britishers which is no matter because evey other persons also wants that.Question is not that in the world where you are the quiestion is that what you were or are because if you want really historical respect than first of all you have prove or tell about the hstory of this area (India) and the ancientness.It will not work that we are in every part of world. M.A.P.Singh is it still a secret about raput in India or its just a matter of dishoesty.Education ,in the past education was a problem that Gujjars did not get eduation and now after getting education they hide their identity from others,problem is still education lie always.We also have to tell and trained our chidren about their ancessaters otherwise only education will make only damage.We hve to do both "Taleem o Tarbiat".You are always wonderful to write and read. God Bye.
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Post by Gujjar on Nov 23, 2009 13:39:27 GMT 5.5
Mr.A.P.singh, Sorry I forget to write my name . My name is Tariq Gujjar friend of Mazhar Gujjar,
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Post by AP Singh on Nov 24, 2009 14:11:55 GMT 5.5
Here I would like to clarify certain certain facts and errors by the By the Historians about the history of Gujjar. 1. Harishchandra, the Brahmin Pratihar was not even a Gujjar Brahmin. From the facts it seems that he was a rashtrakut, the bitter enemy of Gujjars and friends of Arabs. His real name was Pallampelly. 2. Balhara ( The Valla Raja) was the title of Gujjar Solankis, of which clan Pulkesin was the Greatest Kings under whom all the Gujjar rallied behind to defated the Harshavardhana. The outer region of Gujjar Empire ( During Gujjar Kushans) was called Valla-Mandal consisting of many Gujjar states and Pulkesing as the leader of this confederation. 3. Rashtrakuts were on his ( Pulkesins) fudatories of non Gujjar clan. These Rashtrakuts formed an alliance with the Arab Empire later against Gujjars. From the Events it seems that Harishchandra was an ally of Rashtrakuts. These combined forces defeated the descendents of Gujar Solanki Pulkesin. The Rashtrakuts were named as Vallahara later and Harishchandra as Pratihar by the Arabs. 4. Gujjars were the Highest castes of India as all the rulers belonged to them in 9-10th. century . This fact is written by many Persian Scholars and Brahmins writers like KM Munshi has tried to suppress this real fact and tried to prove that Gujjars are descendents of Brahmins to justify the Brahmins supremacy but they failed to prove the link between the two. RC Majumdar probably found some special favours from him, which he has indirectly accepted in one of interview and helped KM Munshi in his mission as KM Munshi was probably in search of some non-brahmin scholar like Majumdar to do his job. 5. Gujjars were protector of all the religions and to call them biggest enemy of Islam is also wrong to take the advantage of the situation by the Muslim rulers to incite the Muslim centiments against them. 6. Kanishka followed Hinduinsm and Biddhuism both and in the Buddhist religion the Rulers were always regarded as higher than the Brahmins. Many Brahmins write their surname as Sharma which nothing but Buddhist Shraman (Monk). 7. Many Gujjar Gotras are of Kanishka Era. Gujjar Chechis are not from Chechanya but were rulers of that region under of Gujjar Kushana Empire. Similarly Gujjars are not from Georgia but Georgia was outer boundry of Gujjar Kushana Empire in central Asia Guring the rule of Great Gujjar Kushana. In India that boundry of Gujjar Empire was present Gujarat and Maharashtra and half of Karnataka.
8. Gujjar Parmars, Nagar, Bajjad and Padihars seems to be the children one prince of Great Gujar tribe ( mentioned as Yuechi tribe in chinese literature). The Gujjar Nagara were rulers of present day Nagarhar ( Naga-Vihara 0f Buddhist literature), Gujjar Parmars were rulers of Pamer region and Bajjad were rulers of Bajaur ( Vajra-Vihar og Buddhist literaure) . Similarlt Pratihar were the rulers of Parthia ( Present Potohar must be part of Parthia mentined in old historical references.) which was part of Gujjar Kushana Empire and there is no question arise of Gujjars being of Brahmin Origin.
9. There many historical evidences that Gujjars are descendents of Lord Rama. Gujjar Culture is also similar to the culture found in the Great Epic of Ramayana.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 23:22:17 GMT 5.5
Huns were absorbed India as vassals of Gurjar kings .Only later they sought to legtimize themselves by creating a fake hagiography like agnikund legends and calling themselves Rajpoot and kept doing what they have always always done ..... betray their overloards.
Rajpoot are spreading more misinformation by stealing our history and presenting it as theirs. Even in international media like Discovery chanel And History chanel ,Rajpoot are shown as " Indian Warriors Called Kshatriya" ,such a blesphemy .Wikipedia has been now sabotaged for this propaganda and they are presenting themselves as only vedic dynasty and they have locked the wiki articles on gurjars after posting their delibrate conspired theoreical crap such as Gurjar came from cental asia and are foreigners ;that is, they are smacking their history on us. Its confirmed that they are of scythian stock from central asia who came here after being disposed by arabs and mongols .Now they are also claiming that Harsh Vardhan (Harshan=Harsana) was their king by posting some idiotic mismatch of criss-crossed confusion and fabrication .They also deleted names of great gurjar personalities from list in gurjar articles and instead added them in their list as rajput .Its they who have been waging their tails like pet dogs for mughals for 400 years and then for british until independence .All they did up to this time was to laze off in alcohal and women and now they show more proof of their dirty mentality by stealing our history by bribing britisher(big shitter) historians and Indian historians .They say they are "real king who have saved india from days ancient" ,what were they doing when Nadir shah looted delhi and massacred 200000+ innocent civillians .And when the british came, instead of fighting them ,they welcomed them and entertained them .British have been saying that rajpoots were their puppets all the while and they helped 20000 british occupy a land of 20 times more population by assisting them in battles against Indian kings.Now after british have gone they are againg decieving the Indian nation by bribing the historians to put them in good light and show them as patriots while most of them are traitors like Jai Chand . Gurjar Vansh is the confedration of all the various real and true vedic kshatriya clans of solar and lunar lineages and their branches from the end of mahabharat times, this only explains their having more than 1200 clans and population spread accross all the northern sub continent progenated from 5000+ years ;not like rajpoots who barely have 36 clans so far devepod only in 700 years more or less; and they say in their fabricated versions of puranas that they arose to annihilate buddhism and save brahmins ( they seem to have forgot that Harsh was buddhist) . Which kshatriya will annihilate one Indian religion for another Indian religion ? here they seem more like arabs than kshatriya. All they did was to betray their kings to foreign invaders in course of thousand years and grab their kingdoms and afterwards FORGE fictious vanshavali/lineage histories to legtimize their claims . Its they who betrayed us to mughals and to british ;nobody else.They say they're Rama descendents ; where were they when the historians were denouncing Kusha(Shri Rama Chandra'son) descendents i.e. Kushans as some non aryan tribes from central asia. For experienced persons ,the shortcomming of internet are well known and Wikipedia is already notorious as lying propaganda tool for America and Britain because they controll it and China because they constantly monitor and filter it.But for a novice and everyone in general around the world wikipedia like internet databases are primary sources for getting information and knowledge about us.So its of utter and imediate importance that ... all those who are in professions dealing with computer and softwares ,all major gurjar research institutions, as well as all those spend much time on internet and all who can ......must contantly monitor carefully all informational content on internet espescially Wikipedia ,filter it and keep it under alert and strict vigil , and in correct state and manner so that nobody whether petty rajpoot ,pahari,kashmiri ,meena ,ahir or any d**n body are able steal our proud history and heritage from us anymore and that nobody desrespects or derogates us or our reputation in front of the world ever again .Lets take bake what is rightfully ours starting from this. All proud gurjars ,...take action against plagiarism of Gurjar history by rajpoots, earnestly and immediatly without further ado and not let this insult happen anymore what so ever at all
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