MIXING CLANS IN GUJJARS AND RAJPOOTS

[Chaudhry Anwar Tahir Chechi]

Hi dear Ashok and all gujjars brothers around the world,

First of all i would like to write that i missed samaj very much. I have online after three months. Hopefully all members are safe and sound.
I also missed some my brothers Mr. Sandeep singh, ap singh, azeem qamar, and harsh chaudhry.

I have read the site of rajpoots where they mentioned chauhan, partihar, solankis, noon, tomars and many other clans are purely rajpoot even badgujar. I request to mr. Ashok and ap singh ji pls
clear about this why these clans and heroes of these clans are owned by rajpoots.

with best regards

M. A tahir ch.

I

[AP Singh]

The following information shall be enough to resolve these issues and can be placed at WIKI.

1. Rajpoot , though were son of kings, were not legitimate to rule. ( Ref: The History of the Rise of Mohammedan Power in India, Volume 1, chpt. 8 .

2. The same writer has also written in the same work about the natural son of Prathviraj Chauhan who was made governor of Ranthambore by Kutibudin Aibak, a slave of Ghori who himself was appaointed the Governor of India by his lord. Hence the dispute can be only arised from this time onwards and this can be taken as confirmation of the fact that all the Chauhan rulers were Gujjars by birth till the time of Prithviraj Chauhan.

3. Al lthese Celebrated Gotra like like Chauhans, Parmars, Tanwars, Solankis,Chandella etc. etc are the main gotras ( clans) found among Gujjars in numbers from Afghanistan to India even today and at the same time were feudatory kings of Gujjar Pratihars by inheritance.

During Mughal period many Rajputs got in to prominence at different point of times. All these Rajputs vassals of Mughal and British Empire appointed the people of ther own clan as their associates, for example a Kushwaha rajput never trusted a Rathor or seesodia Rajput to be appointed as his associate and vice-versa.

Please see how the notable scholar John Keay in has addressed this issue in his book -India: A History.

At Page 195

Based in Western India at the opposite extremity of Arya-Varta, the Gurjara-Pratiharas have been awarded an Imperial sway greater even than Harsha's and a national resolve worthy of the Congress Party. "They were of the people and did not stand away from their hopes, aspirations and traditions. The y spearhead of the religio-cultural upsurge' the Gurjara-Pratihars were bulwark of defence against the vanguard of Islam, and protectors of Dharma.

At Page 197:

What is certain is that Gurjara-Pratihars representd a social and political grouping very different from those of their Pala and rashtrakuta rivals for imperial patrimony of Kannauj. When they first emerged it was as the most successful amongst several related Gurjara royal families; their extensive conquests were often made and subsequently controlled by feudatories who were often relations; and when their empire disintegrated, it did so into powerful local kingdoms ruled by the families who claim a similar kastriya status and a similar-rajput provenance. This prevalence of loose, kin based relatioships suggests that tribe and clan were important to the Gurjara-Pratiharas.

4. The noted scholar has also resolved these issues by finding the bugs inserted by Col. Todd and Briggs. In the history of India.
References are as follows:Page 196: How the Gujjar History was stolen:

Tod spent ten years amongst the still-independent rajputs as a political agent in the early nineteenth century. In the subsequent Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan, one of the most substantial and sonorous works of British Indian scholarship, he would claim to have established' the common origin of the tribe of Rajasthan and those of ancient Europe'. Invoking 'the Sycthic tribes' as the common link, this was simply a variation, albeit less remote, of the Indo-Aryan hypothesis advanced by philogist.

Page231-232.

Colonel James Tod, who as the first British official to visit Rajasthan spent most of the 1820s exploring its political potential, formed a very different idea of the 'rashboots'. Not only was it his boast that 'in a rajpoot I always recognize a friend,' but seemingly in a friend he always recognized a rajput. Their hospitality to one who was offering acknowledgement of their sovereignty plus protection from the then devastating attentions of the Marathas was overwhelming. Tod found rajputs all over Rajasthan; and the whole region thenceforth became, for the British, 'Rajputana'.
The word even achieved a retrospective authenticity when, in an 1829 translation of Ferista's history of early Islamic India, John Briggs discarded the pharse 'Indian princes,' as rendered in Dows;s earlier version, and substituted 'Rajpoot princes'. As Briggs freely admitted, he was much indebted for the unreserved communications on all points connected with the history of rajpootana..... to my friend Colonel Tod.
Triumph of the Sultans (c1180-1320). Friends, rajput and Conquerors: The word Rajput (raj-putera) simply means 'son of a raja'. Although it therefore implied Ksatriya status and eventually came to mean just that, someone of Kastriya case, it originally had no particular ethnic or regional connotations. To those ex-fuedatories of the Gurjara-Pratihar kings of Kanauj to whom the term is so freely applied, and to other Indian opponents of Islam to whom it was occasionally extended, it was probably meaningless other than as one of many hackneyed, and usually much more grandiloquent, honorific. Not until the Mughal period did the word come to be used of a particular class or tribe and, given the prejudices of aurangzeb's reign, its connotation soon became decidedly pejorative: 'Rashboot', as they sometimes appeared in english translation, were freebooters and troble-makers, 'a sort of highway men, or Tories, according to a seven-teenth-century ( the contemporary for the Hindus), they were encountered mainly in Gujarat and rajasthan and were usually under arms, soldiering being their hereditary profession.

5. And why these bugs were inserted? The reference is as follows:

At page 232

About Rajputs: The closest attention to their history proves beyond contradiction that they were never capable of uniting, even for their own preservation: a breath, a scurrilous stanza of a bard, has served their closest confederacies. No national head exists amongst them..... and each chief being master of his own house and followers, they are individually too weak to cause us (i,e, the British) any alarm.

[AP Singh]

One more very important point I forgot to mention in my previous post is highlighted in the follwing information which can be asked from all these sites claimimg all the Gujjar rulers as rajputs.


Jaon Keay at Page 196: :

Tod spent ten years amongst the still-independent rajputs as a political agent in the early nineteenth century. In the subsequent Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan, one of the most substantial and sonorous works of British Indian scholarship, he would claim to have established' the common origin of the tribe of Rajasthan and those of ancient Europe'. Invoking 'the Sycthic tribes' as the common link, this was simply a variation, remoalbeit less te, of the Indo-Aryan hypothesis advanced by philogists like Jones. Tod also delved deeply into the Puranic pedigrees whereby the various rajput houses claimed descent from heroes of the epic and Vedas. And he valiantly tried to trace each clan to its original homeland.

But he failed to explain the greatest mystery of all: why the rajputs, so prominent in Indian history throughout the second millennium AD, had figured in it not once during the first millennium. Where, in short, had the rajputs sprung from? The mystery is still unresolved.

Since all these Gujjar dynasties existed before 10th. century, these can not be Rajputs since Rajputs word to be used for rulers did not existed before .

[AP Singh]

Gujjar Praihar rulers of Kannauj written as Brahmins in Indian History and Janjua in Pakistan history.

1. Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Jaipal Deva son of Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Khistipal Deva ( another name of Gujjar Samrat Mahipal).
( Ref Barikot inscription and Ferrista).
2, Sri Anandpaladeva son and successor of Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Jaipal De.
3. Sri BrahamPaladeva son and successor of Sri Anandpaladeva was killed in the battle.
4. Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri TrilochanaPaladeva was son and successor of Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Rajyapala deva of Kannauj.

Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Rajyapaladeva was son and successor of Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Vijaypaladeva.

Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Devpaladeva, Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Vijaypaladeva and Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Jaipaladeva were real brothers and were direct descendents of Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Mahipaladeva.

The name of Samrat Mahipala is mentioned as Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Kshtipaladeva in Rajor inscription of Gujjar Pratihar ruler Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Sri Mathandeva.

Gujjar samrat was known by Mahipal since he was born of the queen of Gujjar Samrat Parambhattaraka, Maharajadhiraja, Parmeshwara Sri Madendrapaladeva.

I have found these bugs and Indian history were inserted by noted write sri CV Vaidya.

I have also found the other bug inserted by sri CV Vaidya in Indian history while editing the Vaillabhattaswamin temple.

It is clearly written in that inscription that Vaillabhatta was the Nagara clan of Varajjara familty. Sri CV Vaidya confirmed without any knowlege about Gujjars that there is no such clan in India. Bombay Gazeteer clearly states a cluster of Nagara Gujjars in Bulandshar district but opinion of Vaidya prevailed and Vaillabhatta Nagara is recorded as Nagarabhatta in Indian history.

[AP Singh]

Here I would like to inform the very important information about the Gujjar clans (title) which were shared by others and that too adversaries.

1. Vallahara was the title of Gujjar Solankis. This was taken by Rashtrakutas, a local alley of Arabs. The Arabs were the main adversary of Gujjar Pratihars as reflected from many of their records.
The Arabs used this title for Rashtrakuts as a ritual in their records to show their kindness to their trusted ally and falsely mentioned them as the Greatest of rulers on India even when no body of them was left to rule By Gujjar Samrat Mihir Bhoja the Great and afterwards. One can observe this fact after the death of Rasjtrakuta Krishna-II.
Rashtrakutas were provided a second chance by Kalchuri Kokkala, a vassal of Gujjars pratihars when a fight for the throner broke out between Bhoja-II and Mahipala, the Gujjar Princes, the son of the queen of Samrat Mahendrapal named Dehnagadevi and Mahidevi respectively. Samrat Kshitipala was sucessful for in this struggle who is also known in the history as Samrat Mahipala by the name of his mother.

This title was taken back by Gujjar Solankis later.

2. Pratihar title was used by one Rashtrakuta Brahmins Harishchandra after their initial successes against the Indian princes including Gujjars. Harishchandra was in fact an enemy of Gujjars and not a friend as mentioned by all the Brahmin historians of India. It is clear from the Gujjar inscriptions that when Nagabhatta I ( with confederacy formed of Gujjars clans of Pratihar, Parmar, Chauhans,and Solankis in a meeting held at Mount Abu) defeated Arbas, all the kings who helped Gujjars were rewarded whereas this Brahmins was finished forever. Non Gujjar fuedatrory were kalchuris of Gorakhpur who were rewarded even at later stage proudly mention of this fact in their records ( see Kahala inscription).

3. Rathora ot Rathoda title was taken by Rashtrakutas after the initial defeats of Gujjar confederacy against Arabs and their trusted ally Rashtrakutas. This title even today is used by the descendents of Rashtrakutas.
Very very few Gujjars of Gurjar Chawra Samaj in present day Gujerat use this title and it can be seen at matrimonial colomns at the site samajsandesh.com.

It seems that the Rathors among Rajputs are not descendents of Gahadwals of Kanauj who ruled at kannauj as the Governors of Gaznavids but Gaharwals probably were a branch of Rashtrakuts themselves. The Turishkdand ( tax to be paid to turk master) mentioned in the inscription of Gaharwals is a proof that they were Governors of Gaznavids.

[AP Singh]

Here I would like to mention the basic difference between Gujjars and Rashtrakus and Gujjar Brahmin and Rashtrakus Brahmins.

Since the days of Dadda-I Bhardwaj Brahmins are priests of Gujjars. Here I would like to clarify that Dadda-I is also wrongly mentioned as a Gujjar ruler of Pratihar clan in Indian history. Also Dadda-I was not his name but he was real Dadda ( means Grand father in Gojri language) of the ruler who mentioned his name in the grant issued by him to Brahmins.

Dadda-I belong to the celebrated Chauhan clan of Gujjars and the last Gujjar king of this celebrated Gujjar clan was no one but last Hindu samrat of India, the Prithviraj Chauhan.

CV Vaidya was probably a Rashtrakuta Brahmin and he was also probably completely ignorant about Gujjar culture.

The main difference between Gujjar Brahmins ( The family priests of Gujjars) and Rashtrakuta Brahmins is that Gujjars and Gujjar Brahmins avoid four Gotras in arranged marriages. The Gotra of Father, Mother, Grandmother and maternal Grandmother is avoided in arranged marriges among Gujjars and Gujjar Brahmins. Gujjars Brahmins were made rulers in Bengal by Gujjar Samrat Mahendrapaldeva, the son and successor of the Great Bhoja since that area was considered safe from the Arab attacks.

Rashrakut Brahmins can marry their own cousin sister i,e,. the daughter of their real maternal uncle or the girls can marry directly their maternal Uncle. This custom among them is evident from many of their records like Kokkala was the maternal uncle of rashtrakut Krishna II as well as his father-in-law and is followed even today.

There were also another calss of Brahmins in 7th. century. Dahir , the ruler of Sindh was from this class who could marry their own sister. Dahir is mentioned to be Brahmin and also who is mentioed to have married his own siser, the real daughter of his father from another woman than his mother. Rashtrakuts have never have done that.

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Rajpoot are spreading more misinformation by stealing our history and presenting it as theirs. Even in international media like Discovery chanel And History chanel
,Rajpoot are shown as " Indian Warriors Called Kshatriya" ,such a blesphemy .Wikipedia has been now sabotaged for this propaganda and they are presenting themselves as only vedic dynasty and they have locked the wiki articles on gurjars after posting their delibrate conspired theoreical crap such as Gurjar came from cental asia and are foreigners ;that is, they are smacking their history on us. Its confirmed that they are of scythian stock from central asia who came here after being disposed by arabs and mongols .Now they are also claiming that Harsh Vardhan (Harshan=Harsana) was their king by posting some idiotic mismatch of criss-crossed confusion and fabrication .They also deleted names of great gurjar personalities from list in gurjar articles and instead added them in their list as rajput .Its they who have been waging their tails like pet dogs for mughals for 400 years and then for british until independence .All they did up to this time was to laze off in alcohal and women and now they show more proof of their dirty mentality by stealing our history by bribing britisher(big shitter) historians and Indian historians .They say they are "real king who have saved india from days ancient" ,what were they doing when Nadir shah looted delhi and massacred 200000+ innocent civillians .And when the british came, instead of fighting them ,they welcomed them and entertained them .British have been saying that rajpoots were their puppets all the while and they helped 20000 british occupy a land of 20 times more population by assisting them in battles against Indian kings.Now after british have gone they are againg decieving the Indian nation by bribing the historians to put them in good light and show them as patriots while most of them are traitors like Jai Chand .
Gurjar Vansh is the confedration of all the various real and true vedic kshatriya clans of solar and lunar lineages and their branches from the end of mahabharat times, this only explains their having more than 1200 clans and population spread accross all the northern sub continent progenated from 5000+ years ;not like rajpoots who barely have 36 clans so far devepod only in 700 years more or less;
and they say in their fabricated versions of puranas that they arose to annihilate buddhism and save brahmins ( they seem to have forgot that Harsh was buddhist) . Which kshatriya will annihilate one Indian religion for another Indian religion ? here they seem more like arabs than kshatriya. All they did was to betray their kings to foreign invaders in course of thousand years and grab their kingdoms and afterwards FORGE fictious vanshavali/lineage histories to legtimize their claims . Its they who betrayed us to mughals and to british ;nobody else.They say they're Rama descendents ; where were they when the historians were denouncing Kusha(Shri Rama Chandra'son) descendents i.e. Kushans as some non aryan tribes from central asia.
For experienced persons ,the shortcomming of internet are well known and Wikipedia is already notorious as lying propaganda tool for America and Britain because they controll it and China because they constantly monitor and filter it.But for a novice and everyone in general around the world wikipedia like internet databases are primary sources for getting information and knowledge about us.So its of utter and imediate importance that
... all those who are in professions dealing with computer and softwares ,all major gurjar research institutions, as well as all those spend much time on internet and all who can
......must contantly monitor carefully all informational content on internet espescially Wikipedia ,filter it and keep it under alert and strict vigil , and in correct state and manner so that nobody whether petty rajpoot ,pahari,kashmiri ,meena ,ahir or any d**n body are able steal our proud history and heritage from us anymore and that nobody desrespects or derogates us or our reputation in front of the world ever again .Lets take bake what is rightfully ours starting from this.
All proud gurjars ,...take action against plagiarism of Gurjar history by rajpoots, earnestly and immediatly without further ado and not let this insult happen anymore what so ever at all.