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Post by AP Singh on Mar 10, 2010 13:28:40 GMT 5.5
My above post confirms the fact that the Empire of Gujjar Krshanas at its peak was extended from present day Gujarat in India to present day Georgia in Central Asia.
Peshawar was the main Capital city, Samarkand was the summer Capital City and Mathura was the winter Capital.
Kushanas were the descendents of lord Rama, the fact is also confirmed by many of the inscription of Gujjar Pratihars later. Hence Gujjar being of foreign origin is base less. Also the theory that Gujjars entered in to India in 5th. Century is baseless.
Gujjars always ruled by name of their respective Gotra like,
Kasana, Khatana, Bokkana, Kharis ( if Kharsaler is called Khari later), Chauhans, Pratihars, Nagaras, Solankis, Parmars, Chandilas, Parmars, Karhanas ( The ruler of Kroraina in present day China), Khalchyan etc. etc. The adavantage of this fact that Gujjars always ruled in the name of thier Gotra, probably since all the rulers in their Empire were only Gujjars, and it was appropriate to use the name of the clan rather the tribe.
The Vassals of Gujjar Empire of other tribes were called Khastrapa and Mahakhastrapa who were mostly Shakas, whom the Gujjars have defeated.
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 16, 2010 13:35:53 GMT 5.5
Chokkar Gotra The original kingdom of Chokkar Gotra of Gujjars also lies in present day Chinese Turkestan in Central Asia. The city of Weixu ( Greek=Hoxud, Indian lanugage=Chokkur) was the capital of Chokkar clan of Gujjar under Imperial Gujjar Kashanas. References: The kingdom of Weixu Î£íš [Wei-hs¨¹] = Hoxud = Chokkur. Stein (1921), Vol III, pp. 1230 ff.; and (1928), Vol. II, pp. 777 ff) places Weixu Î£íš at Korla. However, the Hanshu states that Weixu is 200 li (83 km) farther from the seat of the Protector General at Wulei žõ‰¾ than Weili (500 li instead of 300), and places it 100 li (42 km) from Yanqi (Karashahr). One must, therefore, assume it is further east than Karashahr, on the route to Turfan. This identification is supported by the Shuijingju [Shui-ching chu] which indicates that the Yulduz river used to have a northern branch, flowing into the northwest of Lake Bostang, to the west of Weixu. This old course of the river is now indicated by the network of irrigation channels, to the west of the present town of Hoxud, that service this region, the water being used up before it can flow into the lake. ¡°Wei-hs¨¹ Σíš, GSR 29a and 133a : ngwia/ngwie̯ - si̯u/si̯u. The Shui-ching chu 2.30ff., says that the Tun-hung river¡¯s ... eastern tributary flows southeast and then divides into two [although the present-day Yulduz River (= Tun-hung) apparently does not bifurcate]; coming from Yen-ch¡¯i (i.e. Karashahr), it is led West of Wei-hs¨¹ and then flows southeast to end in the Tun-hung Marsh. . . . The latter is identified with Bostang Lake or Bagrash Kul and the former with the Hai-tu or Yulduz. Hs¨¹ Sung locates Wei-hs¨¹ to the Southeast of Bostang Lake; Chavannes (1905), p. 552, note 6, seems to accept this localization, criticizing Wylie for following the Hsi-y¨¹ t¡¯ung-wen chih (see note 585 above) and placing Wei-hs¨¹ at Chagan-tungi, Northeast of Karashahr.¡± CICA, p. 177, n. 587. |
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 18, 2010 17:36:02 GMT 5.5
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Post by AP Singh on Mar 26, 2010 14:04:34 GMT 5.5
Kohli, Dahima and Pundir Gotra Dahima gotra among Gujjars is a branch of Kohli Gotra of Gujjars. This information is given to me by the priest of Lord Dev Narayan Mandir.
Kohli Gotra among Gujjars must belong to Gujjar Kushan era since most of Kohli Gujjars are found in the hills of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.Probably Pundir is the branch of Dahima Gotra of Gujjars. Since Pundir was heading lahore front of his brother in law and overlord Prithviraj Raj Chauhan most of Pundirs are found in that region only including western part of U.P. Dahima. — The Dahima has left but the wreck of a great name.^ Seven centuries have swept av/ay all recollection of a tribe who once afforded one of the proudest themes for the song of the bard. The Dahima was the lord of Bayana, and one of the most powerful vassals of the Chauhan emperor, Prithwiraja. Three brothers of this house held the highest offices under this monarch, and the period during which the elder, Kaimas, was his minister, was the brightest in the history of the Chauhan : but he fell a victim to a blind jealousy. Pundir, the second brother , commanded the frontier at Lahore. The third, Chawand Rae, was the principal leader m the last battle, where Prithwiraja fell, with the whole of his chivalry, on the banks of the Ghaggar. Even the historians of Shihabu-d-din have preserved the name of the gallant Dahima, Chawand Rae, whom they style Khandirai ; and to whose valour, they relate, Shihabu-d-din himself nearly fell a sacrifice. With the Chauhan, the race seems to have been extinguished. Rainsi, his only son, was by this sister of Chawand Rae, but he did not survive the capture of Delhi. This marriage forms the subject of one of the books of the bard, who never was more eloquent than in the praise of the Dahima. Chand, the bard, thus describes Bayana, and the marriage of Prith- wiraja with the Dahimi : "On the summit of the hills of Druinadahar, whose awful load oppressed the head of Sheshnag, was placed the castle of Bayana, resembling Kailas. The Dahima had three sons and two fair daughters : may his name be perpetuated throughout this iron age ! One daughter was married to the Lord of Mewat, the other to the Chauhan. With her he gave in dower eight beauteous damsels and sixty-three female slaves, one hundred chosen horses of the breed of Irak, two elephants, and ten shields, a pallet of silver for the bride, one hundred wooden images, one hundred chariots, and one thousand pieces of gold." The bard, on taking leave, says : " the Dahima lavished his gold, and filled his coffers with the praises of mankind. The Dahimi produced a jewel, a gem without price, the Prince Rainsi." The Gujjar Chauhan prince Rainsi did not survive the sack 0f Delhi by Ghori and a Gola ( illegitimate son of Gujjar Prithviraj Chauhan) was made Governor of Ajmer. This Gola was driven out by Hari raj the younger brother of Prihviraj Chauhan but later Hariraj was defeated by Muslim forces. In this manner the resistance of Gujjar Chauhans to Muslim invaders ended and the this Gola was made Governor of Ranthambore fort . |
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Post by H Singh on Apr 1, 2010 13:13:54 GMT 5.5
Hi brothers, after reading above posts I like to share some
information about Mahali( or Mohil ) Gotra and Babre( or Bawre) Gotra
that intermarriage between them is not allowed .. as far as I know ..
may be this will be helpful.
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 5, 2010 14:32:45 GMT 5.5
Since long I was working to find out the origin of the Celegrated Bhati Gotra of Gujjars. My grandmother belonged to this celebrated clan of Gujjars.
Chaudhary Ashraf Bhatti, an honourable member of Royal Gujjar community, who has done a great work on finding the places named after the Gujjars is an advocate in Pakistan Supreme court. Now I would request him to search places named after his own celebrated Gotra of Gujjars.
Bhati Gotra belong to Gujjar Kushan Empire. The Bhati Gujjar were rulers of Bhota region under the Gujjar Kushans.
Presently Bhati Gujjars have 84 villages in present day Bulandshar District of Uttar Pradesh. Mr. Ved Ram Bhati, a Gujjar of this region is a cabinet Minister in present UP Government.
Rao Umrao Singh Bhati was a ruler of the state of Dadri before 1857, the first war of Independence. He was crushed alive under the feet of the Elephants by the Britishers at the Kala Amn ( Black Mango Tree) in Bulandshar.
Bhota and Keer ( Keer is present day Kangda, which is also called as Nagarkot, the capital of Nagar Gujjar) are reffered together in one of the inscription of Gujjar Chandilas, related to Gujjar Emperor Mahipal, the father of Shahi king Jaipal, the last hindu Emperor of Hindustan.
Similar to Nagarkot ( Fort of Nagar Gujjars), Bhatinda is the fort of Bhati Gujjars built in Gujjar Kushan Era of Great Kanishka.
To read more about Bhota region, the land ruled by Bhati Gujjars please read the following book.
Across the Himalayan Gap: An Indian Quest for Understanding Chinaý - Page 198
Tan Chung - 1998 - 600 pages
Bhota, in fact, is Tibet and Bhutan forming one cultural unit. The contribution of the Tibet-Bhutanese tradition of Bon-Po culture is of much significance ...
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 5, 2010 18:14:24 GMT 5.5
Here I would like to emphasize that all the initial Gotra of Gujjars had Anh as suffix. For example:
1. Kushana.
2. Khatana.
3. Bokken.
4. Chechi or Chechan or Cherchan ( Chechanya and Tashkent i, e,. Chachkhand is named after this clan of Gujjars.
5. Hao-tun or Hun ( white Hun). There must be some area in Central asia where Hun Gotra of Gujjars must have ruled.
Similarly Bhottan or Bhutan must be named after Bhati Gotra of Gujjars. The fort Bhatinda is also the Bhottanda as written by Sir, Cunninghum.
The regions covered in Bhottan region, ruled by Gujjar Bhatis during Gujjar Kushans and Gujjar Pratihar Empire must have been different that present day Tibet and Bhutan, in actual comprising some area of present day Bhutan and some area of present day Tibet.
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 7, 2010 14:51:38 GMT 5.5
Gujjar Gotras of Guhila, Bainsla, Motila and Chandila Mostlikely these Gotras of Gujjars belong to Guhila Branch of Gujjars. As per inscriptions Bappa Rawal a legend in the annals of Guhilas came to Nagada ( Udaipur) with Gujjars Nagaras which is abranch of Gujjar Varajjars ( Bajjads). Pratihar is also a branch of Varajjaras ( Bajjads). This fact is proved by the inscription of Gujjar Shahi Emperor Jai Pal, who was Great Grandson of Gurjar Samrat Mihir Bhoja Mahan and son of Gujjar Samrat Mahipal. He named certain area as Varajjar-Sthan in present day Afghanistan and Pakistan anmed after his gotra of Varajjara and Pratihar being a Branch of it. Nagar is a Branch of Varajjara is mentioned on Gwalior inscription of Samrat Mihir Bhoja Mahan. Vailabhatta Nagar of Varajjara ( Bajjad) was made the the Governor of Gwalior fort and Senapati to protect the exiasting boundries of Gujjar Empire by Samarat Mihir Bhoja Mahan, before proceeding to conquer all the four corner of the universe. Dr. CV Vaidya here claimed that there is no such tribe in India as Nagar of Varajjara Branch and the Gujjar History was killed forever. He futher inserted false clamis that it should be the name of a person and it was read as Nagarbhatta in the History of India which people today read even in NCERT books. The Guhilas were later written as a branch of Nagar Brahmins accordingly by adopting these fraudulent practices by these Brahmin historians. These historians of the India, who continued the legacy of the slavery period of the country could even have proved, if they wished so, that Babar was a Brahmin since all the characters in the name Babar are same characters which are also form the word Brahmin. |
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Post by Azeem Gujjar on Apr 7, 2010 19:29:58 GMT 5.5
Dear AP Singh
how are you? You are doing very well ...... I am still waiting more information from you about Munnan gotra ..... I hope, you shall reply
with regards
Azeem Gujjar
0333-6697168
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Post by AP Singh on Apr 8, 2010 13:08:05 GMT 5.5
Dear AP Singh how are you? You are doing very well ...... I am still waiting more information from you about Munnan gotra ..... I hope, you shall reply with regards Azeem Gujjar 0333-6697168 Dear Azeem, I have following information about Munnan ( another variation is Mundan and that is what they are called in my village). 1. My village have sizable population of Munnan Gujjars. They were closely associated by the Jait Singh Nagar, who was the descendent of Rawal Udai Singh Nagari, the ruler of Mewar ( Capital at Nagada, present day Udaipur)who advanced to Khanwa alongwith 12000 cavaliers to defeat the forces of Babar but sacrificed his life. His kingdom was later occupied by Rana Sanga and other areas by Rathor Rajputs. This place is very close to Mandu fort situated in Malwa region of MP state of India. 2. My village Munnan Gujjar alternately use their Gotra as Parmar and dont intermarry among Parmar Gujjars. This shows that they are branch of Gujjar Parmars. 3. You also said that Jagdev, who was fuedatory king of Gujjar Solanki Samrat of Gujarat Patan was a Munnan Gujjar. Malwa region was part of Gujjar solanki empire during the reign of Siddha Raj Singh, who is reffered as Avanti Nath frequently by many poets. Avanti is Malwa region only consisting of Mandu fort, Ujjain and Dhara region. This indicate that Munnan Gujjars were the rulers of Mandu fort and hence were called Mundan. This region was traditionally ruled by Gujjar Parmars as a fuedatory branch of Gujjar Pratihars. Thus there is very possibility of Mundan being a branch of Gujjar Parmars. 4. The last point but not the least is that Munnan or Mundan Gotra ends with suffix anh and hence there is very high possibility of this gotra to belong to Gujjar Kushan Period and Mandu fort itself would have been named after this celebrated gotra of Gujjars. In that case you have to provide me additional inputs like spread of Munnan Gujjars in Afghanistan and Central Asia. For example the capital of Bokken Gujjars and Chechi Gujjars were in Central asia as a fuedtatory branch of Gujjars Kushan Emperors. Even today we find many people among Christians of Bokken surname in Central Asia. Chechanya and Tashkent (original Sanskrit Chechi-Khand) are other example of Chechi ( Cherchan or Chechan) being a gotra of Kushan era. Here I would lrequest other members also to contribute to this thread by providing authentic information only and should not consider any information received specially from elders as small piece of it. This thread is very very imporatant since we are claiming our history which has been stolen by others by misinterpreting and misrepresenting the historical facts but at the same time we can not call other people as our ancestors. Regards. AP Singh |
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