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Post by vraj on May 29, 2009 3:14:00 GMT 5.5
First of all I would like to congratulate Ashok Harsana and all Gujjar brothers for the winning MP's. It is good for gujjar community if they have representation in Lok Sabha. That's the key to success in democracy.
For your inforation, please find hereunder names of 23 winning Jat MP's.
Name-Constituency-Political Party
Jagdish Rana, Saharanpur, BSP
Ajit Singh, Bagpat, RLD
Jayant Chaudhry, Mathura, RLD
PL Punia, Barabanki, Congress
Jat Poonamben Vejjibhai, KACH, BJP
Ramesh Kumar, South Delhi, Congress
Shruti Chaudhry, Bhiwani, Congress
Deepander Hooda, Rohtak, Congress
Jitender Singh, Sonepat, Congress
Pratap Singh Bajwa, Gurdaspur, Congress
Navjot Singh Sidhu, Amritsar, BJP
Santosh Chaudhry, Hoshiarpur, Congress
Harsimrat Kaur Badal, Bhatinda, Akali
Prenet Kaur, Patiala, Congress
Ravneet Singh, Anandpur Sahib, Congress
Mahadev Singh Khandela, Sikar, Congress
Ram Singh Kaswan, Churu, BJP
Seeh Ram Ola, Jhunjhunu , Congress
Dushyant Singh, Jhaalwar-Baran, BJP
Harish Chaudhry, Barmer, Congress
Badri Ram Jakhar, Pali, Congress
Jyoti Mirdha, Nagaur, Congress
Ratan Singh, Bharatpur, Congress
Also note that Deepender Hooda made the record winning victory by 4 lakh 75 thousand votes.
Some fights were very interesting in this election specially in Bagpat which is called Mecca of Jats in Western UP. 2 jats and 1 brahmin (Guddu Pandit) from BSP were competing against Ch Ajit Singh. Guddu Pandit also made some degrogatry remarks against Ch Charan Singh. Which made jats united and Guddu pandit lost He was also beaten in village Malakpur and Kirthal. Strong hold village of Tomar Jats. I am sure he must have learned the leason now that Jat ko Behka sakte ho, dara nahin sakte.
Other important Fight was between Anuradha Chaudhary and Kadir Rana from Muzffarnagar. Anuradha Ch lost by 5 thousand votes because two jats were competing, one anuradha from lok dal and other harinder malik from Samajwadi. Because of that she lost.
Anuradha ch won last time from kairana (Jat Lok Sabha seat) by 2lakh 50 thousand votes. This time kairana went to BJP in a seat sharing with BJP. Hukum singh (Gujjar) was BJP candidate and he lost
Third seat was Mathura for Jayant Ch. Mathura has more jats than Bagpat and always being a Jat seat. Even this 2 jats were competing. Samajwadi did not put their candidate so that all samajwadi vote goes to Congress. But everthing went in vain as Jayant Ch won by 1 lakh votes.
Good news is that Lok Dal this time got 5 MP's from Wester UP
In the end BJP decision to do a tie with Lok Dal worked. Most of seats in western UP ( which is called Jat Belt) went to either BJP or lok dal.
Once again congratulation to all gujjar brothers for winning MP's. Next time I hope you win more.
Good Luck
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Post by A Jat on May 29, 2009 9:34:45 GMT 5.5
Name-Constituency-Political Party -caste status
Jagdish Rana, Saharanpur, BSP- ??
Ajit Singh, Bagpat, RLD -a Jat
Jayant Chaudhry, Mathura, RLD-a Jat
PL Punia, Barabanki, Congress--Scheduled Caste
Jat Poonamben Vejjibhai, KACH, BJP--??
Ramesh Kumar, South Delhi, Congress--A Jat
Shruti Chaudhry, Bhiwani, Congress--a Jat
Deepander Hooda, Rohtak, Congress-- a Jat
Jitender Singh, Sonepat, Congress-a Jat
Pratap Singh Bajwa, Gurdaspur, Congress-??( they are sikhs of mix / complex offsprings)
Navjot Singh Sidhu, Amritsar, BJP-??-??( they are sikhs of mix / complex offsprings)
Santosh Chaudhry, Hoshiarpur, Congress-A Scheduled Caste
Harsimrat Kaur Badal, Bhatinda, Akali--??-??-??( they are sikhs of mix / complex offsprings)
Prenet Kaur, Patiala, Congress--?? -??-??( they are sikhs of mix / complex offsprings)
Ravneet Singh, Anandpur Sahib, Congress--??-??-??( they are sikhs of mix / complex offsprings)
Mahadev Singh Khandela, Sikar, Congress -A Jat
Ram Singh Kaswan, Churu, BJP-A Jat
Seeh Ram Ola, Jhunjhunu , Congress-A Jat
Dushyant Singh, Jhaalwar-Baran, BJP-- CROSS BREED
Harish Chaudhry, Barmer, Congress-A Jat
Badri Ram Jakhar, Pali, Congress-A Jat
Jyoti Mirdha, Nagaur, Congress-a Jat
Ratan Singh, Bharatpur, Congress- SDcheduled caste
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Post by rajju on May 29, 2009 12:09:25 GMT 5.5
Are Jats in Gujarat an SC community?
Jat Poonamben Vejjibhai from Kuch is from reserved SC seat.
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Post by satyendra on May 29, 2009 19:35:59 GMT 5.5
Gujars would also win good no of loksabha seats if they were given tickets by Congress Party as per national trends of results. The Congress Party gave only two (serious) tickets to Gujars and both (Pilot & Badhana) have won the election. On the other hand Congress gave 6 tickets to Jats in Rajasthan, 1 in Delhi, 3 tickets in Haryana and accordingly out of the total 12-13 Jat canidates who have won the election on national level, atleast 10 are from Congress party.
The biggest plus point with a congress ticket is Muslim and Dalit and middle class general votes are easily secured and added in the community to whome the ticket has been given.
That is why I always talk about contibution of the national Gujar leaders in Congress party (read Pilot family) in getting more tickets to Gujars at all India level.
Just imagine if Congress had given ticket to Jaunpuriya from Jaipur rural(who secured 127664 votes as an independent), any Gujar from Bhilwara (having maximum Gujar population in Rajasthan), Tonk- Sawaimadhopur(Bainsla got 375255 votes as BJP candidate), Dausa (ST) (Chechi secured 295907 votes as an independent) Soluth Delhi, Gwalior etc than our number could easily be more than 10 MPs.
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Post by vij on May 29, 2009 21:12:00 GMT 5.5
Jat have only 13 MP and not 23
jagdish rana is a thakur from saharanpur
3 Jat MP from Haryana ( hooda, shruti, malik from sonepat)
2 Jat MP from UP( father son duo---------ajit jayant)
1 Jat Mp from delhi ( south delhi)
7 Jat Mp from rajasthan only
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Post by rajju on May 30, 2009 13:15:16 GMT 5.5
Jat have only 13 MP and not 23 jagdish rana is a thakur from saharanpur 3 Jat MP from Haryana ( hooda, shruti, malik from sonepat) 2 Jat MP from UP( father son duo---------ajit jayant) 1 Jat Mp from delhi ( south delhi) 7 Jat Mp from rajasthan only But what about, Poonamben Vejjibhai Jat ,from Kuch who has wom from reserved SC seat in Gujarat. |
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Post by vraj on May 31, 2009 9:49:02 GMT 5.5
Hi Rajju Bhai Could you please explain why you do not consider Navjot Singh Sindu and other Jat sikh as Jat and why are you calling them offspring. If you can call Mohd Azharuddin, Tabussum begam, and Dharam Singh gujjar without providing any evidence. All these 3 people have never claimed on print media as well as electronic media that they are gujjar. And you guys are forcing it on everbody to accept them as gujjar. Can you provide some evidence of these people being gujjar. For your information Navjot Singh sidhu is also the Vice President of Jat Mahasabha. Even Dara Singh being a jatt sikh is the president of Jat Mahasabha. Dharmendra is also a from Punjab and he actively participate in Jat Mahasabha. Please click on the hyper link given below and all your doubts will be cleared about Jat Sikh, Hindu Jat and Muslim jats. You can also see the picture of Dharmendra and dara singh participating in Jat mahasabha. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatswww.jatland.com/home/Jat_MahasabhaAs far as calling dushyant singh as cross breed is concerned. I would like to know since when Indian society has started considering Son cast on the based of his mother. Dushyant is son of Vasundhra Raje who is married to Jat Raja of Dholpur. His father is Jat and he is also Jat. He calls himself Jat and he wins election from Jat constituency because he is a Jat. Even if I believe what you are saying than it means that Son Sachin Pilot will not be onsidered a gujjar because he is married to the daughter of Farooq abdullah. Please find hereunder some evidence that dharam singh is Rajput. www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Cabinet-Krishnas-induction-reflects-caste-factor/464563/Please find hereunder evidence that Dilip singh Judev is Rajput. www.hindu.com/thehindu/fline/fl2024/stories/20031205003611000.htmI do not understand the double standard, Gujjar proudly calls Kuldeep Singh Chandpuria a Gujjar. Kuldeep is the hero of 1971 war but he is a sikh. If you do not consider jatt sikh and Hindu Jat same than please stop calling all sikh gujjar as Hinud gujjars. I really appreciate the time you spend on finding out why Pl Punia, Jat Poonam Behn are not jats. I will take them off the list. However, I would really appreciate if you could do some research on your end and provide some evidence on following: Dilip singh Judev, Tabassum Begam, Dharam Singh and Mohd azharuddin. All four of them are not gujjar. I have provided my eveidence that they are not gujjar. It leaves total of only 4 gujjar MP. I take out Punia and Jat Ponam Bhen. It leaves number to 20 Jat MP. Rajju Bhai-I have provided evidence of whatever I was saying and I have deleted names of the peole who were not Jat. Now I expect same from you. Either you provide evidence or take out names of the MP's I have mentioned, which leaves you with 4 MP's You can claim 500 MP's in lok sabha as gujjar and nobody will stop you. However, its all about credibility. Do you want this website to be considered as legitimate source of finding the gujjar history and gujjar names or a joke. Again lots of love and respect to all gujjar brothers. Best Regards Vijay |
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Post by vij on May 31, 2009 12:15:55 GMT 5.5
These MP are not jaat caste as claimed by some person on this board.
Jagdish Rana, Saharanpur, BSP- THAKUR form Saharanpur. Veteran Gurjar leader Chaudhary Yashpal Singh had called a meeting in saharanpur and asked all the GURJARS and Rajputs to vote for Jagdish Rana to defeat his arch rival Raheed Masood of the SP.
PL Punia, Barabanki, Congress--Scheduled Caste from BARABANKI(UP).former chief secreatary of mayawati but deserted her in taj corridor case.
Jat Poonamben Vejjibhai, KACH, BJP--A Scheduled Caste from GUJARAT
Santosh Chaudhry, Hoshiarpur, Congress-A Scheduled Caste .HOSHIARPUR IS NOW A RESERVED SEAT
Ratan Singh, Bharatpur, Congress- Scheduled caste . BHARATPUR IS A RESERVED SEAT.
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Post by vij on May 31, 2009 12:23:58 GMT 5.5
regarding Tabassum Begum -- she is wife of Ex Muzaffarnagar MP Chaudhary Munawwar Hassan. He is a muslim Gurjar of Chauhan Gotra. His father was also MP from Kairana earlier.
she won as a result of the symapthy for Munawwar in the whole area.
Gurjars now have 3.0 lac votes as whole gurjar belt of south west saharanpur and chauhan gurjars belt of western muzaffarnagar is included in the kairana lok sabha.
only gurjar dominated rampur maniharan and saharanpur rural seat is now part of saharanpuur lok sabha seat.
During Rajasthan crisis Munnawar had openly declared the support of muslim Gurjars to Rajasthan Gurjars.
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Post by A progressive on May 31, 2009 13:41:47 GMT 5.5
The answer of the question whether any caste or community following different religions are same or different can not be solved merely by citing examples of participation by some members at any social gathering........!
In my view the best way of deciding the same is their 'gotra' , if Navjot Siddhu & other Punjab MPs quoted here and Dara Singh & Dharmendra have identical 'gotra' of their own, their mother and grand mother with that of Rajasthan/ haryana / UP Jats ; the same can be accepted in theory atleast. The same parameters are applicable to Muslim Gujars and Sikh Gujars in case of any diapute in claims.
The other parameters may be origin, migration pattern, language , culture , marriage patterns etc.
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