With due respest to GUJJAR Brothers

[Naresh Gujjar]

DEAR AP AND HARSHANA BRO IT MAY BE MY LAST COMMENT ON THIS FORUM AS I FEEL TODAY THAT A SINGLE JA*** CAN DEVIATE OUR MIND AND WE PEOPLES STARTED BLAMING OUR GUJJARS .... IT IS NOT FAIR THANKS

[Ashok Harsana]

Shant gadadhari bheem Shant,

More than 10 threads started by Vijay Raj were deleted from this forum because those thread were just about the "Jat Shining" and did not talk about Gujjars.

Gujjars and Jats are rivals: 100% True
Thats the only reason Gujjars and Jats talk against each other

But whats the use, We have discussed all this a thousand times on various blogs. Many discussion sites were ruined just because I and Vijay Raj were fanatically abusing each others community.

Jats do not hate us TRUST ME

Jats helped Britishers out of their own choice as they were very quick to realise that doing that would lead them to a secure future with high social status. Gujjars chose the tougher way and were crushed by Britishers.

Anyways, I have a few very good friends which belong to this community. I quit abusing Jats as I realised that every community can have different kind of people. A brave heart can be produced by Baniyas and a coward can be born among Gujjars.

So you can (in Todays Scenario) never judge any one by his community or caste. Though every caste has a specialty and 90% people from that community will have those traits.

You must not aware of the fact that most Gujjar surnames are similar to those of jats. Factually Yadavs, Gujjars, Jats and Rajputs belong to the same ethnic stock and share almost 90% of their Gotras.

Jats have a surname called badgujars and Jat is Gujjar subclan in NWFP (Pakistan) and Afghanistan.

Bhagat Singh Sandhu was a great Martyr and Sikh JATT for sure (NO further discussion will be required for that).

If you think any Jat is abusing you or ruining this forum or is indulged in defaming Gujjars you can PM me and trust me, He will be banned from the same day.


Best Regards

Ashok Harsana

[Raja Gurjar]

Hi to all my Gurjar brothers

Brother Ashok pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease can you Bann vijraj (Jat) of this Gurjar forum. Believe me he just wants to denounce our glorious history, he envies our forefathers who were the greatest RULERS OF INDIA. And he hates that FACT.

I have read many of his post, he slyly try’s to degrade us, he shouldn’t even be on this forum, this forum should only be for Gurjars, call me prejudice but I say what many of my Gurjar brothers are thinking.

This Jat should bugger off to his own bloody Jat forum, and talk about what ever CRAP he wants to discuss and leave us Gurjars to our own fellow people.

Look Ashok, Neeraj Gurjar is upset with this Jat, because how he talk about Gurjars, he is leaving this site because you are taking preference over him for that Jat. Don’t let this brother GO like this. You should listen to him instead of that Jat.

Please brother Ashok my fellow Gurjar brother, we Gurjar are all related to each other by Blood because we come from one family.

And this fellow Gurjar brother is Sincerely asking you to Bann this Jat and any other people who want talk about their caste other than the Gurjars.

Thank You

Raja Gurjar

[Chaudhry Anwar Tahir Chechi]

Hi Ashok, Raja and neeraj bhai,

We should not encourage the person who belongs to other community and we also do not think to leave the forum. Neeraj bhai I agree with ashok harsana that we should not hate other people but ashok bhai we can not lost our gujjar brother for jats or any body else. pleas satisfy raja and neeraj. I humbly request to raja and neeraj pleas do,t leave the forum. I personally being member of gujjar community stand with you and request other members pleas stand with neeraj and raja.

[Deepak Dedha]

To Naresh Bhai,
Bhai please don't take me wrong.
I am a regular visitor to this blog and have read Vraj's posts in the past.

Ofcourse he has written a lot about Jat community, but he never used any foul words against us Gujjars; neither he tried to degrade us. Agar aisa hota to shayad Ashok bhai Vraj ko pehle hi ban kar dete.

Is wale thread me Vraj ne jitni bhi baatei likhi hai, aap hi batao un me kya galat likha hai?

Jin threads me thodi bahot Jaats ke baare me baatei hui thi wo threads to delete kiye ja chuke hai.

I would request you not to leave this blog, I do appreciate your views.

Believe me, Yaha par koi jaat hum me se kisi gujjar ko divide nahi kar raha hai, aur naa hi hum kabhi honge..

Thanks.

[vraj]

Hello Friends

My motive is not to divide Gujjars but to unite Gujjars. I have always said in my post that Gujjars can only progress if they get united under one leader. What is wrong in this, I do not understand. The other thing I said is that do not vote for the wrong person just because he is from your community. This applies to all castes in India. If you give vote to any person it is the moral responsibility for that leader to address our concerns in parliament. How many of us have tried to find out the attendance of our leader in parliament and how many questions he has asked related to our issue in the parliament.

In Western UP, Gujjars should have a leader who is a Gujjars or like Gujjars. Dalits have Mayawati, Yadav’s have Mulayam, Lodh have Kalyan Singh, Tyagi’s have Rajpal Tyagi, Jats have Ajit Singh, What does Gujjars have???. This is what I am trying to explain. Get united under one leader and then only you can expect prosperity and progress for the Gujjars.

Naresh Bhai- Agar Hooda ne gujjron ke liye kuch nahin kiya hai to uski wajah sirf gujjar hain because they are not united. Bhadana is with congress, Kishan Pal Gujjar is with BJP. How do you expect to get something for Gujjars where they have two prominent leaders in two different parties. I would like to know where in my post I have insulted you or Gujjar community.
So many innocent Gujjars died in Rajasthan Agitation and result is ZERO. High court has declared the reservation bill unconstitutional. Rajasthan govt has started recruiting govt jobs under old reservation bill. 80,000 jobs are at stake. Gujjars will be deprived again for their rights if something is not done. Let’s see what these elected Gujjar MP do about it.

Still I would say that it is good to have forum like these to discuss our community history and current issues. But we should remember that our vote is very important and we should vote for a person who is honest, can give bright future, security, education to our kids and family.

if Still Naresh or any other member have issues about me writing on this forum. Please do not worry I quit myself. I have no hard feelings about any one. It is was an honor to be on this forum I thoroughly enjoyed sharing views with all of you.

Naresh- I voluntary leave this forum and it proves that I do not want to divide Gujjars. We have prove one more thing that we can never be a superpower because we are so divided on the castes lines that we forget that we are Indian first and Jat or gujjar second.

Good Luck

[AP Singh]

Jan 12, 2010 7:07:58 GMT 5.5 vraj said:

Hello Friends

Naresh- I voluntary leave this forum and it proves that I do not want to divide Gujjars. We have prove one more thing that we can never be a superpower because we are so divided on the castes lines that we forget that we are Indian first and Jat or gujjar second.

Good Luck

This is double speak. If your intentions are to unite all you should not speak about the unity of only Gujjars.
The Gujjars can not unite since many of our brothers are living in Pakistan and Afghanistan and others are living in Central Asia without even lkowing that they belong to the Glorious Gujjars Heritage. The Gujjars should unite in all these countries to have a dominating political supremacy and should work for peace and harmony in the entire region which were ruled eralier by our Great Ancestors during the glorious Gujjar Kashana and Gujjar Pratihar times.

[Ashok Harsana]

I humbly request Naresh and Raja Gujjar to not to leave this forum and not to force anyone to do so. Gujjars are different from all other castes due to their Courage, Determination and innocence.

I love history becasue it has the habit to repeat itself.

We were great in past and If we have the caliber to achieve that level once again, then trust me, NO ONE, can restrain us from that.

Gujjars are very imotional, they always support the truth and justice. They often think with the heart instead of brain and hence loose a lot of things.
(for example they have a tendency to rise against the dominant forces in favour of the weaker sections of the society)
but still they cant stop being good as its their nature and they are known for it. Others may use us for a time being but at last everyone has to admit that Gujjars have a few unbeatbale qualities and are one of the best tribes of the world.

In my opinion Gujjars ruled all over the world just becasue of these qualities and will rule again. You can see that in Delhi NCR we are hardly 5 lac in numbers but are the moost dominant force in Delhi. So rest assured, we will prove ourselves the best, it will take some time as most of the community is away from education. And once we start ruling, we will rule the nation in style. Remember what Modi said about sardar patel.

Best Regards

[amitjatrana]

@ ALL the Gujjars ...You guys need to read him history before defaming Jats here. Read About people like Nahar singh, Bhagat singh countless number of Jats who sacrificed their life for the motherland. Perhaps your hatred for Jat community is result of your repetitive ignorance by Indian army for not even considering the community for honoring with a regiment.

I request you guys to do some research on martyrs in kargill wars and the other two wars India has fought after independence, thousand of jats have laid their lives for the motherland while i can hardly think of any gujjars.

Other reason for such hatred against Jat community is the reason that Jats have grown phenomenally in all the fields while majority of gujjars are still known for selling milk in Noida & Delhi, FYI below is mentioned a list of Jat Billionaires , i request all Gujajars to respond with name of few billionaires from their community.

KP SINGH(DLF)
Sameer gehlaut(India Bulls)
Pradeep Sandhu(Juniper Networks)
Raj Singh(Redwood ventures)
Ponty Chddha(Wave)

[Ashok Harsana]

Dear Amit Bhai with Due respect,

First of all You are requested to not assign castes to Martyrs.

Secondly, this is a community forum and I always discourage members who defame other communities.

Now going through your post above I realized that you seem to be ignorant on your part as you have been reading only about Jaats lately (seems like that). What are you trying to do here? Defaming your own community by referring to DLF and Ponty Chaddha!

DLF was gifted to Shobha Singh for testifying against Shaheed Bhagat Singh. Y

Billionaires (multi Billionaires) in Gujjars:

Paras Milk, Paras Buildtech, Paras Healthcare:
Sukhbir Singh Jaunapuria (SS Builwell):
CDR (Chaudhary Daya Ram and Sons):
KTC (Bhadanas): Joint Assets over
Kansana Transport: Madhya Pradesh
Kanwar Singh Tanwar
Malook Nagar

The List goes on and on as I know 100s of BILLIONAIRE in Delhi-NCR only (let alone the national list).


Gujjars are 1/4th in population and they were declared notified tribe by britishers for their uprising in 1857, Gujjars were not allowed in job,s politics and no property ownership was allowed to them. They joined the mainstream only after 1952, which is the main reason for their backwardness. I am surprised that you are glorifying Jat regiment, Do you really know its origin? Jats were awarded with Jat regiment in 1839 by Britishers for their loyalty. (loyalty to Britishers means treachery to Indians , isnt it?)

Note: Anyways, I have many close Jaat friends, who are people with high self esteem and sometimes I find them better than many other castes. Please do not indulge in anything which deteriorate teh Jat Gujjar harmony.

Best Regards...