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Post by APSingh on Jan 4, 2010 12:34:38 GMT 5.5
Dear Deepak,
You are talking about the inscriptions written in Sanskrit language or in Brahmi script.
Guring the Gujjar Kushan rule, there are many inscriptions found in Kharoshti language.
The Gujjar Emperors initially used Greek language in their inscriptions. Later they have used Greek script but their own language. Even their Scientists and Engineers were Greek and most of inventions during that period were based on Greek Technology. It is like after world war II, the services of lot of German scientists were utilsed by the new conquerers, the Ameriacns, the Russians and the Britishers. The Dress was influenced by the Greeks. In Gujarat and part of rajasthan the the Gujjars and other population is wera that kind of dress which is found on the coins of Gujjar Kushans. The reason behind all this is that all the regions earlier conquered and ruled by Alexender the Great were later conquered and ruled by the Gujjar Kushans. You are talking about the inscription found about Dadda Gurajjara.
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Post by AP Singh on Jan 4, 2010 13:21:21 GMT 5.5
Hello All, So now we have almost a clear vision of the origin of Gujjar Clans here. 1. The first ever Gurjar clan was Chechi (which was actually a corrpution of the word Gujjar itself (Gujjar>Gyusar>Yuchi or Chechi, Heun Tsang the famous chinese traveler called them Kyuchilo where kyuchi means Gujar and a LO added to comply with the sansakrtinised verion "Gurjar-a") Dear Ashok, You are relating Yuechi by Chechi because of similarity of pronunciation of these two words but the chinese lanaguage does not work that way. Chinese actually symbolises the word to be translated with something and then write in chinese language. In actual the word Guzar or Gozar ( written as Tochar or Kuchar by the European Scholars) in their language means Moon God or Sun God since Gujjars that time used to call themelves as the Son of God. ( Like Dev Putra Kanishka). That culture is still popular among all the Gujjars since we treat our ancestors as Gods (Devtas) and one can still see many small shrines of every Gujjar family in all the Gujjar villages even today. Muslims Gujjars also worship their ancestors in similar way and many shrines of our ancestors can be found in the Gujjar dominated areas and these shrines are called Peers. In many cases these shrines of Peers are common to both Hindus and Muslims because they belong to their common ancestors. Huen-Tsang also used the Kuchelo for Gurjara and that time there was no kingdom in India existed belonging only to the Chechi clan of Gujjars. |
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Post by AP Singh on Jan 4, 2010 13:35:24 GMT 5.5
Checho Gotra is certainly one of the main five branches of Gujjars mentioned in Chinese Annals. They were rulers of Cherchan which in is Chinese Turkistan ( Uighrstan) today. Even the word Uighur is pronunciated as Whe-Gurz which could the current version of Shou-Yuechi ( the little Yuechi) mentioned in chinese annals.
Chechi is certainly variation of Cherchan. Chechanya is named after this celebrated clan of Gujjars. Taskent ( Original Chech-Khand) is also named after this celebrated clan of Gujjars. Many other celebrated branched of this clan are Khalchyan, Chuahan ( original Chaman or Chawanh), Meelu, Devde, Dhappe, etc. etc.
See the link below about the Cherchan where so many historical details were found about Gujjar Kushana Empire.
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Post by AP Singh on Jan 4, 2010 13:38:00 GMT 5.5
Checho Gotra is certainly one of the main five branches of Gujjars mentioned in Chinese Annals. They were rulers of Cherchan which in is Chinese Turkistan ( Uighrstan) today. Even the word Uighur is pronunciated as Whe-Gurz which could the current version of Shou-Yuechi ( the little Yuechi) mentioned in chinese annals. Chechi is certainly variation of Cherchan. Chechanya is named after this celebrated clan of Gujjars. Taskent ( Original Chech-Khand) is also named after this celebrated clan of Gujjars. Many other celebrated branched of this clan are Khalchyan, Chuahan ( original Chaman or Chawanh), Meelu, Devde, Dhappe, etc. etc.See the link below about the Cherchan where so many historical details were found about Gujjar Kushana Empire.
Cherchen travel guide - Wikitravel
29 Jul 2009 ... Open source travel guide to Cherchen, featuring up-to-date information on attractions, hotels, restaurants, nightlife, travel tips and more.
wikitravel.org/en/Cherchen - Cached - Similar |
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Post by deepak dedha on Jan 4, 2010 19:17:43 GMT 5.5
dear ap bhai sahab
thnkx for info about gujjar incriptions in another language.i think you are right about the origin of gujjars(aryans),may be from central asia and after some time the aryas sperad to india thats why in ramayana the ravan only said that he just want to kill all the aryas not any kshtriyas.it can be possible that time only gujjars were the aryas and our naxel index clear this point.ravan was a brahmin if the brahmin were aryas then why ravan wanted to kill all the aryas.these are our thoughts without any authentic proofs.I have got a nother thing its about kuchas.
According to the Book of Han, Kucha was the largest of the 'Thirty-six kingdoms of the Western Regions,' with a population of 81,317, including 21,076 persons able to bear arms.[1]
Transcriptions of the Han or the Tang also infer an original form Küchï, (Kǖsan during the Mongol and Ming periods). The form Kūsān is also attested by the Tarikh-i-Rashidi, Cf. ELIAS and ROSS, Tarikh-i-Rashidi, in the index, s. v. Kuchar and Kusan.
“One MS. [of the Tarikh-i-Rashidi] reads Kus/Kusan. Both names were used for the same place, as also Kos, Kucha, Kujar, etc., and all appear to stand for the modern Kuchar of the Turki-speaking inhabitants, and Kuché of the Chinese. An earlier Chinese name, however, was Ku-sien.” Elias (1895), p.124, n. 1.
Kucha was strongly influenced by Indian and Scythian thought, and Indian kings are said to have reigned there. Christopher Beckwith identifies the king of Gu-zan of the Li yul lung-btsan-pa or ‘Prophecy of the Li Country’ who went on campaign with Kanishka in the company of the king of Kucha (Kūči, Kūčā, Kushâ, Küsän). See Beckwith (1987), p. 50, and n. 66. However, Chinese transcriptions are explicitly in favour of the form Küsän/Güsän/Kuxian/Quxian and not Küshän or Kushan (Yuanshi, chap. 12, fol 5a, 7a).
For a long time Kucha was the most populous oasis in the Tarim Basin. The language, as evidenced by ancient records, was Tocharian, an Indo-European language. It was located on a crossroad of the great cultures of India, Persia, Bactria and China. The extensive ruins of this ancient capital of the Kingdom of Guici [the 'City of Subashi'] lie 20 kilometres (12 miles) north of Kucha.
Kuchan music was very popular in China during the Tang Dynasty, particularly the lute which became known in Chinese as pipa.[2]
Francis Younghusband, who passed through the oasis in 1887 on his epic journey from Beijing to India, described the district as "probably" having some 60,000 inhabitants. The Chinese town was about 700 yards (640 m) square with a 25 ft (7.6 m) high wall, with no bastions or protection to the gateways, but a ditch about 20 ft (6 m) deep around it. It was filled with houses and "a few bad shops". The "Turk houses" ran right up to the edge of the ditch and there were remains of an old Turk city to the south-east of the Chinese one, but most of the shops and houses were outside of it. About 800 yards (732 m) north of the Chinese city were barracks for 500 soldiers out of a garrison he estimated to total about 1500 men, who were armed with old Enfield rifles "with the Tower mark."
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Post by deepak dedha on Jan 4, 2010 19:23:16 GMT 5.5
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Post by deepak dedha on Jan 4, 2010 19:45:47 GMT 5.5
Nagar (Urdu: ÑیÇÓÊ äÑ) was a princely state in the northernmost part of the Northern Areas of Pakistan, which existed until 1974. The state bordered the Gilgit Agency to the south and west, and the former princely state of Hunza to the north and east. The state capital was the town of Nagar. The area of Nagar now forms three tehsils of Hunza-Nagar District. Nagar along with Gilgit and Baltistan is claimed by India as part of the state of Jammu & Kashmir. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagar_(princely_state) |
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Post by AP Singh on Jan 5, 2010 12:26:16 GMT 5.5
Very good findings Deepak,
More can be found about Khotan ( The Kingdom of Khatana Gujjars), Yarkand, Kashghar ( old name Kashi, named after the Gujjar gotra of Kasana), and Shule, the capital of Solanki Gujjars during Gujjar Kushana Empire.
All these place are located on one of the route of Silk Road.
Read more about the Shule.
Shule County - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Shule County is a county situated in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region and is under the administrative jurisdiction of the Kashgar Prefecture. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shule_County - Cached
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Post by Singh on Jan 5, 2010 18:47:51 GMT 5.5
Hi Ashok and AP bhai .. first of all congratulation fot the great work and research both of you have done... Can you give some information on one of the rare gotra of Gurjars such as Babre or Bavre or babra ... hope u will  Here I may tell some facts about this gotra which may help.. --Babre or Bawre Gurjar's gotra is mostly found in Meerut (U.P) and neighboring cities.. It is known that they arrived from Ujjain 350 or 400 year back (as per recorded family tree) and --Singh title/surname was used at that time and it is still in use. --Babre/Bawre is an Brahmin Gotra in Deshastha Brahmin in Gujart and Maharashtra and there are Brahmin in these places called themselves as Gurjars..Eg.Karhade Brahmin etc.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karhade_Brahmin Marathi speaking Deshastha can also be found in large numbers outside Maharashtra in the former Maratha ruled or Maratha confederacy states/cities of Indore, Baroda, Ujjain, Dhar and Tanjore. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deshastha_Brahmin-- Babre/bawra gotra is also found in Rajisthan and M.P. they are Gurjars and also Jats ,( not sure about Rajputs, but heard once??) -- jatt sikh of this gotra are found in Punjab. This is all about Indian context. As far as Foreign context there are many places named or sound like this gotra from India to Pakistan,Afganistan,Iran,Iraq,Russia,Ukrain,Armainia,Turkey,Austria,Germany etc. ( similarity in name may be coincidence) and also there are people in those country who use this Gotra as surname (again similarity in name may be coincidence) If any reference to those places is needed I can give links to those pages showing location of the places. also Interestingly their was ancient powerful tribe called Bavrii in Turkey, Austria, Germany region because of this there are many places of similar names en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BavariiIf possible give some more information about this gotra , and its origin. Thanks |
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Post by deepak dedha on Jan 6, 2010 12:36:06 GMT 5.5
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