Post by AP Singh on Jan 6, 2010 12:38:12 GMT 5.5
Jan 5, 2010 18:47:51 GMT 5.5 @Singh said:Hi Ashok and AP bhai .. first of all congratulation fot the great work and research both of you have done...
Can you give some information on one of the rare gotra of Gurjars such as Babre or Bavre or babra ... hope u will
Here I may tell some facts about this gotra which may help..
.. It is known that they arrived from Ujjain 350 or 400 year back (as per recorded family tree).
As far as Foreign context there are many places named or sound like this gotra from India to
Pakistan,Afganistan,Iran,Iraq,Russia,Ukrain,Armainia,Turkey,Austria,Germany etc. ( similarity in name may be coincidence)
and also there are people in those country who use this Gotra as surname (again similarity in name may be coincidence)
If any reference to those places is needed I can give links to those pages showing location of the places.
also Interestingly their was ancient powerful tribe called Bavrii in Turkey, Austria, Germany region because of this there are many places of similar names
If possible give some more information about this gotra , and its origin. Thanks
Dear Mr. Singh,
Your post shows that you are working seriously to find your roots and probably you belong to Babre cloan of Gujjars.
First of all I would emphasise that Ujjain is wrongly placed in Indian History as the original seat of Gujjar Pratihara Emperors. I strongly believe that Mount Abu and Nagda (near Udaipur) was the place where all the Gujjars assembled to form a confederation against the combine forces of Arabs and Rashtrakuts. This was necessitated beacuse the other similar confederation of Gujjars under the leadership of Siluk ( The Gujjar Solanki King) was deafeated by the Arabs and Vallamandla region ( Present day Gujarat, part of Mahrashtra and Karnatake)of Gujjar Empire was taken and given to Rashtrakuts, the earstwhile vassals of Gujjars and newly found ally of Arab invaders.
The Arabs were defeated by this new Gujjar confederation under the leadership of Nagabhatta of Pratihar Gotra of Gujjars in Nagda Valley which start from present day Udaipur and end at Ujjain. In That case Byawar in Rajasthan must be the kingdom ruled by Babar Gujjars. Your 350-400 years of arrival to western UP correspond to to invasion of Babar and that time Babre Gujjar warriors must have come to Khanwa to fight the invader, where all the forces under the Hindu confederation were defeated. The Brahmins of babre Gujjars having the same gotra must have moved to Maharashtra region.
The Byawar in Rajasthan is the place which your ancestors must have ruled during Gujjar Pratihar Empire. To find your roots back to the Gujjar Kushan Empire you must search the old names of all the places from Peshawar to present day Georgia on both side of silk road and exclude the other places which are just coincidence and you may not be able to find and historical evidence to support the claim. Peshawar was the main capital of Gujjar Kushanas and it means Purushwar which is persion word and translates to Elephant Mounted Warriors. Probably elephant Peshawar the centre of regiment of Elephant mounted warriors under Gujjar Kasana's and Poshwar gotra is originated from that place as the rulers of Peshawar.
My sister in law belong to Babre Gotra of Gujjars as my Elder brother is married in that family.