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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 10, 2010 23:13:02 GMT 5.5
Dear Yatender ji, welcome to our forum, Almost every surname you mentioned here has been discussed above in this thread, you need to read this thread completely for that. Dhaliya's are the offshoots of Chap Gujjars, which were originated from Tomar gujjars (or Shwet Huns or Hepthalites) in around 6th century. They were called chap gujjars or Chapotkrishta (best Archers) for their archery skills. Tongar Gujjars are mostly found in Rajasthan and are the offshoots of Tonk or Tank or Dang Gujjars which are again a branch of Tok clan which was better known as Nagvanshis (and hence beared the title Takshak or Tak). Roushe Gujjars, found in western UP mostly, are one of the oldest branch of Gujjars. Yuezhi or Yuchi were called Rouzhe or Roushe in Chinese literature. (Yuezhi is a chinese name for Gujar). HeuTsang also called them (the chap Gujjars of Bhinmal) as k-Yuchi-lo. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuezhi |
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Post by mihiryatender on Feb 10, 2010 23:18:09 GMT 5.5
hi A. harshana my self yatender nagar and i want to know about nangdi or nagar gurjars and i read ur posts in which u are writting about rawal udai singh nangri of nagda(udaipur) which face the Babar,
is there any written information or book available for this or not.
please reply
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Post by mihiryatender on Feb 10, 2010 23:22:50 GMT 5.5
thanks for your information but rossay gotra of gurjars claimed that they are the descendent of jograj panwar of kunja in sharhanpur.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 10, 2010 23:28:23 GMT 5.5
I m not sure what's the theory Roushe Gujjars are following? Are you taling about the Roushe Gujjars of Dankaur area?
And for the books and other info you can request our senior member AP Singh ji to suggest you some links.
regards
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Post by ashok harsana on Feb 11, 2010 9:18:45 GMT 5.5
morning dear harshana, Thier is only three villages of rossa gurjar one near dankaur station and another two near badalpur village. named respectively "Sarakpur and Bishnuli" and third one i have not remember. I have relationship in bishnuli village thier is Bhati and Rossa gurjar. My Cousin (Phupha) Padhan Mitthan singh rossa told me that they are descendent of Jograj panwar. The Sarakpur' rossas came from Bishnuli because thier is lady said their "jyhate" that bailgadi age sarkale , by this that man move thier family to new place and named this "sarakpur". The rossa of sarakpur was jamindars in the british period , when the 1857 revolution started they left the jamindari or jagirdari and participate that revolution thats why approx 12 people hanged to "phansi" at "Kala aam" bulandhshahar.
"It,s the royality gurjar blood that they sacrifies their all for Matrabhumi.
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Post by AP Singh on Feb 11, 2010 12:07:15 GMT 5.5
hi A. harshana my self yatender nagar and i want to know about nangdi or nagar gurjars and i read ur posts in which u are writting about rawal udai singh nangri of nagda(udaipur) which face the Babar, is there any written information or book available for this or not. please reply Lot of information is already given about Nagara and Khatana Gujjars. Regarding Bagad ( bajjad), Nagda ( Udai Pur) I have already given the links of historical records. as follows: 1. Babarnama 2. Akbarnama to prove that descendents of Rana Sanga did not rule at Udaipur prior to the invasion of Babar. These were installed by Mughals for considerations. One may read about Dungarpur in Babarnama. 3. These is no mention of Jaipur and Jodhpur in Babarnama that means the rulers of these places did not part in war with Babar from either side. That itself is the conclusive proof that Jaipur was under control of Hasan Khan Mewati ( a Muslim Gujjars who fought against Babar) and Jodhpur was under Gujjar control at the time of the attack of Babar. It is suggested, the members and visiters to read the information already provided in various posts and ask pertinent questions only. It is impossible for anybody answer each and every question again and again since I also have to make my own time from my busy schedule for this community services to find the authentic information which benefits all irrespective of his or her status in the community since History belongs to all of us. |
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Post by AP Singh on Feb 11, 2010 12:14:47 GMT 5.5
hi A. 2. Akbarnama to prove that descendents of Rana Sanga did not rule at Udaipur prior to the invasion of Babar. These were installed by Mughals for considerations. One may read about Dungarpur in Babarnama and Akbanama both to confirm the details.3. There is no mention of Jaipur and Jodhpur in Babarnama that means the rulers of these places did not part in war with Babar from either side. There were some editing problems in my earlier posts. I have highlighted the edited portion in bold letters as above. |
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 13, 2010 19:31:42 GMT 5.5
morning dear harshana, Thier is only three villages of rossa gurjar one near dankaur station and another two near badalpur village. named respectively "Sarakpur and Bishnuli" and third one i have not remember. I have relationship in bishnuli village thier is Bhati and Rossa gurjar. My Cousin (Phupha) Padhan Mitthan singh rossa told me that they are descendent of Jograj panwar. The Sarakpur' rossas came from Bishnuli because thier is lady said their "jyhate" that bailgadi age sarkale , by this that man move thier family to new place and named this "sarakpur". The rossa of sarakpur was jamindars in the british period , when the 1857 revolution started they left the jamindari or jagirdari and participate that revolution thats why approx 12 people hanged to "phansi" at "Kala aam" bulandhshahar. " It,s the royality gurjar blood that they sacrifies their all for Matrabhumi. Welcome to the forum dear, There are many villages in Punjab. A few more are there in UP as well, for example: Sikandarpur in Bulandhshahar. And you guys are correct that Roushe Gurjars claim to be the descendents of Great Jograj Singh (Khubar panwar). |
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Post by mihiryatender on Feb 16, 2010 15:48:53 GMT 5.5
hi dear , their is another query
1. what was the story of dayaram nangdi of neemka(faridabad)
2. whom was the founder of bhati kingdom in kasna (or kashamgarh)
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 22, 2010 19:44:38 GMT 5.5
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