fight between Gujjars and rajputs in ghaziabad

[CHAUHAN]

Mr vijayraj from ur first post i thought dat u r right at some points,,but nw i got dat u r a very cheap guy.

koi b aasani se samajh skta h k vijayraj hi poswal(prashant) k name se post kr rha h. Mr vijayraj kyu apni caste ka b name khrab kr rhe ho,, aapki vajah se do communities k beech me tension create hogi uska credit b aapko hi jaega.
n tell me one thing harit pradesh me widout gujjar support kya ajeet singh apni govt bna skta h...!?!?... even he can't imagine Mr. agar hum condition rkhde ki CM gujjar hoga tbhi RLD ki govt bnegi to uske pas koi choice nhi bchegi smjhe.
and one more imp thing about rld was nvr a Jat party,, it wass a farmers party constructed by charan singh. but aaj ye sirf jato tk simit rah gayi h sirf ajeet singh ki vajah se.

dusri bat bijnore seat k bare me aapne kaha ki swami omvesh vaha se MP rh chuke aapki jankari k liye pichle elections me jo parisiman hua tha usme bijnore seat ki geography badal gayi thi. is seat pe ab gujjars jats se jayada nhi bahut jyada h,,kyoki isme mawana tk k gaon aa gaye h.and last election b completely gujjars k beech me hi tha there were 3 gujjars..1 kartar singh bhadana 2 Dr yashvir singh 3 Sanjay chauhan.

and aapne bina knowledge k kairana seat k bare me bol diya h k anuradha waha se record votes se jeeti thi and kairana is a Jat seat. aapko btadu k kairana is fully dominated by hindu and muslim gujjars,,and us pure area me (including shamli..going 2 b a new district) koi b bata dega k yaha jato ka gujjaro se sahi ilaj koi nhi krta h..ye alag bat h k gujjaro aur jato me vaha acchi understanding rhti h n kbhi koi bdi ghtna samne nhi aayi.
ab bat election ki jis election me anuradha kairana se MP bni thi usme SP and rld k beech pact hua tha,, dono ne milke candidates khde kr rkhe the alag alag nhi ,, n us pure area me b us election tk jato and gujjaro k beech me pact rhta tha. dono ek hi member ko support krte the. mujaffrnagar me munnavar hasan ko jato ne support kia tha and mujaffarnagar me voting k bad sham k time munavvar hasan ne khud hi kaiarana k booths pe jakar voting karayi thi.vaha kafi vivad bhi ho gaya tha munavvar hasan and vaha k majistrate k beech jisme munavvar ne kafi dhmakaya tha usko n chata b mara tha,, bcoz us time mulayam govt thi.

rahi bat meerut ki..just look figures of meerut loksabha costituency jats have 91 villages and gujjars have more dan 250 villages in this new meerut seat...unfortunately delhi dehradun bypass road se is taraf k gaon baghpat me chle gaye vrna bahut jayada hote.

and last election me malook nagar k harne ka reason tha gujjar community k dwara uska boycot..just bcoz he insulted some aged gujjars in pesence of harijans.. ye election se just ek ya do din phle ki hi bat thi.. and unfortunately gujjar community ki najro me uski image phle se hi vaisi nhi thi jo honi chahiye thi.. then gujjars decided to support BJP(harendra aggarwal)...n aapke anusar agar meerut seat pe Jat jayada h to for ur information yahi nagar isse pichle election me RLD se lada tha tb jato ki votes kaha gayi thi.


aur hume aap gujjar party bnane ki salah de rhe h aapki Jat party ne konse jhnde gad diye h yar.aap bol rhe h k hum mathura and baghpat me apni 2 seats bna skte h kewal Jat votes se.. to aap un 2 seats ka krenge kya yar..!! and 2 seats kewal gujjars k dum pe bnana humare lie b koi bahut bdi bat nhi h...kairana me agar hukum singh ya tabassum bina kisi party k b khde ho jae na...and koi aur gujjar candidate na khda ho to wo bahut acchi votes se jeetenge.

and saharanpur and bijnore b aisi hi seats h. saharanpur ka mp hamesha gujjar hua krta tha ch. yashpal singh chokkar(cong) jo party change krke BJP me chle gaye n fir gujjar votes unse kat gaye.


thanks.

[poswal]

Dear Sandeep ji,

I am no where related to Mr Vijay and whatever he is writing are is own personal views. And I am Gurjar by heart and by birth. Can I ask what made you think that I am doing some double role kind of thing? I appreciate any person of any community for his/her acumen only. I only feel delighted when that intelligence and intellectuality is displayed by someone of my community.

Hope you will not read my post with hatred and as written by someone of alien community.

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant Poswal

[CHAUHAN]

Mr vijayraj, in my personnal view mujhe jaat community se koi shikayat nhi h,, i have lots of gud friends and teachers who r jats. and koi ek ya do jaat agar gujjar community ko abuse krta h to m itna tangdil insan nhi hu k sbhi jato ko m gali dene lg jau. can't say abt other members of dis forum but m yahi chahunga k in any case like in election agar koi gujjar nhi jeet rha to kisi aur se better Jat h. bcoz in life i realize dis many time dat a gud Jat or a gud gujjar is favorable for both communities. example late rajesh pilot and shri sahib singh verma ji.


ab aapki bat clear krdu aapne kaha k gujjars Jat community ko apni forum pe insult krte h and ye humne start kiya. mr vraj m ne khud kai bar Jat forums (jatland etc), Jat communities on orkut pe pdha h wo log hume bhais chrane wale n anpadh n all likhte h... u also written on samajsandesh recently dat gujjaro k liye gobar regiment bnegi likhne wale ka name vraj hi tha thatz fair...

but phli bat to ye k ha hum bhais b charate h gai(cow) b n ha gai k gobar ki aaj b humare yaha bahut imp h. goverdhan puja me hume usiki jarurat pdti h. mujhe purane ghr bahut pasand h jinme gobar se putayi hoti h.gai bhains n doodh is strongly related to gujjar culture. we love our pets. kuch gujjar ghoda ya ghodi b rkhte h sawari k liye..gai bhains nhi rkhenge to dudh kaha se piyenge hum itni bhi progress nhi krna chahte k pakaged milk se
adjust krle.

n dusri bat ye k kuch logo k views ko puri comunity k thoughts man na sahi nhi h.
we don't love to insult any community..n jato ka discussion is forum me isiliye aa jata h k they share approx same culture and regions etc. fir b agar kisi person ne kuch abbusive way me bola ho to uske liye mujhe sorry bolne me kbhi koi prob nhi hogi.

communities k beech tension hone se dono ko hi nuksan hoga.progress krni h to miljul k kro achhe relations banao.but inhi dono communities k kuch person aapas me kuch na kuch lekar tensions create krte rhte h. isse kisko fayda hona h n most imp desh ki bhalai k liye b hath se hath milakar aage bdhna hoga.communities k beech ki duriya desh k liye bahut bura sign h..but hum history se b nhi seekhte h.we r indian first den gujjars n jats.

so Mr vijayraj u r alwayz welcum here for a healthy discussion wid gud intentions favorable for both communities.not like dat previous data abt population..bcoz it will only create dispute always.

thankss.

[CHAUHAN]

Mr poswal whoever u r first u plz give ur full introduction( as directed in introduction thread with atleast nearby 5 villages with gotra and maternal parents gotra n nearby villages...in case u live in a city consult ur parents).
now i tell u there r many things dats y u seem suspicious...

1 You said dat when da real times come to show v divide ourselves in regions...tell me one thing aapka janm rajasthan gujjar andolan k bad hua tha kya jo aap dekh nhi paye k in diff states and religions gujjars showed their unity.

2 u said v r lackin a dabang neta...lgta h aap india se bahar rhte h...bhai gujjar jitne b leader h mostly dabang hi h uttarakhand se lekar maharashtra tk.

3 u said that our gujjar leaders did nothing for gujjar community so v prefferd maya n mulayam etc...lol yar is rajesh pilot a stranger for u..??

there r a lot of gujjar bahawans and gujjar hostels and gujjar girls gurukuls in various states where gujjar live....they made by maya and mulayam...?

agar aap gujjar hi h tb b mujhe dukh hota h yar k aisi mentality k member b h is community me.
thanks

[CHAUHAN]

I request to harshana brother or Mr ap singh ji or some senior member please share ur views in this thread.
thanks.

[poswal]

Dear Sandeep.

I didn’t liked your tone of the post but ignoring that for once I am replying to your questions you have asked. They are marked in Red.



Mr poswal whoever u r first u plz give ur full introduction( as directed in introduction thread with atleast nearby 5 villages with gotra and maternal parents gotra n nearby villages...in case u live in a city consult ur parents).

Well if you don’t know it, I already made that ‘introduction’ way back in Oct 30, 2006. First check and then ask.


now i tell u there r many things dats y u seem suspicious...

1 You said dat when da real times come to show v divide ourselves in regions...tell me one thing aapka janm rajasthan gujjar andolan k bad hua tha kya jo aap dekh nhi paye k in diff states and religions gujjars showed their unity.

Can you claim the same bonhomie when it comes to make alliance for marriages? How the gurjars of NCR perceive to those from far place like MP and interior of Rajsthan? At that time they calls the parents of girl .arre sirf 10 lakh ki paalti (party) hai…. Can you deny it?



2 u said v r lackin a dabang neta...lgta h aap india se bahar rhte h...bhai gujjar jitne b leader h mostly dabang hi h uttarakhand se lekar maharashtra tk.

Except Sachin Pilot, Just name one MP how is alive and have guts to stand up in Lok sabha to raise a gurjar concern. And who is that single neta for which all aur MLAs, MPs who are currently in Cong, BSP, SP will leave there party to stand by him? Big NONE. And what is he doing uniquely for upliftment of Gurjar despirt being a MP of ruling party?



3 u said that our gujjar leaders did nothing for gujjar community so v prefferd maya n mulayam etc...lol yar is rajesh pilot a stranger for u..??

I don’t want to undermine his popularity but tell me 5 things that Rajest Pilot did for all gurjars of this county without which we would not have been what we are today? App Laksar se hai.. tell me any thing that has happened in Laksar just because of him.
What about our Col. Baisla saab. He is now enjoying the patronage some political party. The young boys who laid down their lives in bayana must be asking this question… kiya hua uss andolan ka. Was that just an exercise to show our numbers or we really got a reservation?




there r a lot of gujjar bahawans and gujjar hostels and gujjar girls gurukuls in various states where gujjar leave....they made by maya and mulayam...?

even rajest pilot had not made them all. These are outcome of the contributions of your elders, my elders our elders. Kisi neta ka beta ya beti asse ki hostel ya grukul mein nai rehte.



agar aap gujjar hi h tb b mujhe dukh hota h yar k aisi mentality k member b h is community me.

What you actually think of youself that you can question my mentality. If you can’t hear the bitter truths than will never ever show any ambitions to overcome that. I am not the one who loves to live in fool’s paradise.

thanks

[vjrj]

Sandeep My friend.

I like your response. First, I would like to apologize to you and all members of this forum for hurting their feelings. Though, I have tried my best to be professional and respectful, still if somebody is hurt than I am sorry. I hope this settles the dust.

The post’s you are using as an eg was a post of at least 4 yrs ago. You cannot show a single post in last 2 yrs where I have been disrespectful. I have learned over the years that to gain respect you should give respect first.

There are dumb, good and bad people in all communities and gujjar and Jats are not different either. There are some people on this forum who are intellectually bankrupt. The people who don’t even know the benefits of winning medals for country. They feel medal jeetne se kuch nahin hota. I do not even bother to answer them.

As far as politics and leaders are concerned I firmly believe we should vote for the right party and right candidate. Especially in Lok Sabha elections, because Lok Sabha elections are fought on national issues. We should vote for the national party whether BJP or Congress. Party like BSP, SP and RLD have no political future in central govt. We give them votes because they give ticket to Gujjar and Jat but then we play in their hands. These party win 20 to 25 seats and then they play the bargaining game with congress and BJP to get money and power. Bahut saare MP to bik jaate hain. Aur hum bevakoof ban jaate hain.

Tell me what benefit Gujjars have got by supporting Tabassum Begum and Surender Nagar. They do not even attend parliament session and ask questions about our issues. Aap log apna mutakabil unke haathon main de dete ho jinki koi credibility nahin hai. People who are most corrupt and in fact not even educated. Try to ask Tabassum Begum and Surender Nagar benefits of Indo- US Nuclear deal. Then you will know what kind of a leader you have elected to define yours and your kids future. When we are sick we go and see the best doctor because we realize our health is wealth. We do not look for Jat or Gujjar doctor. Same approach we should have towards our leaders. We should elect right candidate irrespective to their caste. Our society is sick and we will stay sick as long as we do not elect right leader.

I salute Yadav’s for their decision to support Raj Babbar in Ferozabad. Ferozabad is yadav dominated seat and Yadav’s did not vote for Dimple Yadav. They elected the honest and disserving candidate. Raj Babbar had done a fantastic job in Agra while he was MP from Agra.

Kisi ne kaha hai jaise janta waisa neta. Jaisa neta chunoge waisa hi bahvishya hoga. We all should learn a lesson from Bihar. Bihar people first time voted for development and look at the situation of Bihar. It is growing faster than Gujrat. Aur wahan per kissi ki land acquire karke Nitish ne development nahin kiya. He developed the state by creating job and improving administration. UP has the worst crime rate and totally corrupt administration. The reason is, we have elected corrupt people to rule on us.

Jats have thrown out Chautala’s in Haryana and see the progress of Haryana now. I have said several times I would love to vote for Sachin Pilot if he fights from my constituency.

It is good to know about your caste and history but when it comes about your future and your kids future do not vote on the basis of caste. Vote on the basis of development, education, Law and Order.

Also wanted to tell you that you are a nice guy and you will do really well in your carrier. Sorry bolne ki himmat unn logon main hoti hai jinke khoon main sharafat aur insaniyat hoti hai. You and all members on this forum can see how easy it is to make friends when you are honest, polite and respectful. I have no hard feeling for you.

Anyway you did not tell me how did you like the song?

In the end we should also thank and appreciate the Moderator “Ashok” for setting up the wonderful platform to meet people and friends.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

[gauravrousa]

HELLO EVERYBODY,


Mr vrij

pehle to tum khud ye pad lo ki tumhare aaj Jat bhai kya kya kar rahe h ,,kya kare bechare unemployed h ..loot,murder,rahjani in west up
read jatland post no 168

www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?30069-Reservation-versus-Commonwealth-Games/page9

aur pehle ek bhi baat ye batao ki maine kya aisa keh diya aapki caste ko jo aap itna tension aur depression mai aa rahe ho..

maine sirf wo kaha jo ek kadwa sach like u r traitor

read this site wat other too say about u
www.topix.com/forum/religion/sikh/TE149GUU6NMSLNHUQ/p80

''kya special tha Jat caste k andar jo unhe hi sab se jada recurited kiya tha BRITISH ARMY mai''

mere khud k forefather popularly known as ''trimurti rosse'' was killed at bulandshar kala aam chowk by britishers in 1857

jis mai apke sirohi clan village bhatona near gulaothi k jats Mr Harpal singh Jat wo british army ka ''mukhbir'' tha

read kps gujjar post

samajsandesh.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gurjar&action=print&thread=176


''aur PLZ IS BAAT ka plz reply dena,,its my query for u ,!! ki tumhe hi recruited kiya gya tha in british army''

also read this,brave gujjar children of kashmir of fakir gojri village
www.risingkashmir.com/news/brave-children-of-kashmir-3103.aspx


aur baat koi bhi ho achi ya buri ,,usko accept karna sikho,,




aur rahi baat sahib singh verma aur rajesh pilot ki ..

ek state ka CM ,,country k homeminister se against nhi ho sakta,,unke apne bhi kuch special kam hote h unhe ek doosre ki jarurat.. unke apne personal ache terms ho sakte h

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aap ko shayad ye dhyan ne hoga ki aapke west delhi k jats aur us time k jaat MLA's Is NH-24 ka mihir bhoj marg RAKHNE K khilaf THE WO NHI CHAHTE THE KI GUJJAR'S KA BHI KOI SPECIAL STAND HO DELHI MAI...

BUT Mr Rajesh pilot ne strongly iska support kiya..

chalo agar wo nh-24 ko samrat mihir bhoj ka naam nhi dete,,fir kya kabhi nezt government nhi aati hum log us se karwa lete... koi ehassn nhi kar diya sahib singh ne,,

unhe bhi jaururat thi Gujjar votes ki..as Gujjar population is delhi's biggest OBC.

aur rahi baat aap baar mr NAGAR ko bich mai leate h ....


toh aap mujhe ye batao kya ajeet ne kiye aur kya uke bete jyant ne jo abhi thik se bolna bhi nhi janta h ..

parlaiment mai ja kar... kaun se jhande gaad diya un baap + beta ne


isliye aap se special ye prayer h ki yanha apna time waste mat karo..
jao pehle apni jaatland ja kar dekho wanha kitni nafrat h hamre liye

jaat sirf gujjar ko lekra baat karte h ,,,naki yadav aur rajpoot 's ko aapki desi jatland par..

hamre forum par koi bhi guest aa kar likh deta h ,,but aapke jatland par sirf galat baato ko pad sakte aur dekh sakte h ki kaise jaat apne ko wanha real Kshatriyas batate h according to ur jaat land ,rajpoots aur gujjar apki branch h ... and they simply lock guest entry to post or reply there!!

kabhi koi tumahri asliyat na bata de,,hamre forum ki tarah nhi h koi bhi aaye aur likh jaye,,

jinka khud itihass nhi wo kanha ke Kshatriyas


aap ek baat hamesha kehte ho ki inlogo ne kya kiya community k lie like surendra nagar and other gujjar mp

ye sab log hamri caste k representives h .. all so doing best effort..

aap ka charan singh to prime minister aur cm BHI tha UP ka ..
kyu nhi le paye the reservation CENTRAL OBC ka

aaj kyu gali gali road road dhake kaha rahe ho bolo..
tum toh representive bhi the,,

kyu nhi pucha MR ajit se ...kya kiya tumne ,,

sirf bhoor chorahe bulandshar par murti lagane se kaam nhi chalne wala ground level par kya kiya agar kuch bhi kiya toh apni politics kabhi is ke sath kabhi mulayam ke sath kabhi BJP k sath Kabhi congress k sath

batao kuch apne principles h unke ,,ya sirf anuradha ko hi baati dilane hi unka motto hota h

''Never discourage anyone who continually makes progress, no matter how slow''

होता वो भी लहू लाल जो गीदड़ से डर जाता है
होता वो भी लहू लाल जो शेर से लड़ जाता है
पर एक लहू का जलवा तो कुछ अजब असर का होता है
जो मृत्यु को भी ललकारे वो लहू गुर्जर का होता है..."

[gauravrousa]

3rd session to show Gujjar ekta will be starts soon...so be ready gurjar brothers

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/Bainsla-again-threatens-stir/articleshow/6916387.cms

[rajagurjar]

To vjrj

I have been reading your post over the past few days an quit frankly I think your full of crap and have hostility towards our community.

I totally hate it when this jatt comes on this site and tries to advise us on our community, these bloody traitors are telling us how to be, come on guys lets make this site only for Gurjars to be able to post their comments on.

I haven forgot this jatt when he first came on site how many bad things he said about our Gurjar cast, we may forgive but we never FORGET!!!.

Mr Ashok Harsana, PLEASE WILL YOU MAKE THIS FORUM EXCLUSIVLY FOR GURJARS ONLY!

Thanks.