fight between Gujjars and rajputs in ghaziabad

[Ashok Harsana]

PLease Guys, Calm down and use decent language.

Vijay Raj is BANNED.

I have banned more than 20 Suspicious members over last 15 days. I think our forum is NOW 100% clean.

[rajagurjar]

thank you brother ashok we really do appreciate it.

[CHAUHAN]

Dera mr poswal ji,, i m sorry because of my rude language i used for u but when read ur post i was thinking that u r a fake member but now all doughts are clear as i read ur introduction. i din't kno u r from roorkee would u tell me where do u stay at ur home in roorkee and ur ancesters village i guess it would be near nagal..i know a lot of gujjars in roorke and i m from village raisi if u know near laksar.

now m replying on ur points.first u said..


"Can you claim the same bonhomie when it comes to make alliance for marriages? How the gurjars of NCR perceive to those from far place like MP and interior of Rajsthan? At that time they calls the parents of girl .arre sirf 10 lakh ki paalti (party) hai…. Can you deny it?"

brother its problem of dowry and not only in delhi NCR but itz present in all india gujjars(except van gujjjars)...humare area me agar kisi ldke ki shadi bijnore side se hoti h to same condition is dere. its all because of lack of education at least on this point vijayraj was correct that v need social progress more dan financial progress. abhi kuch hi time phle m ne rajasthan k bare me suna tha waha ek poor gujjar ki ldki ki shadi dahej ki vajah se nhi ho pa rhi h wo request kr rha tha k meri beti ki shadi delhi me kisi b caste me krwado.
but it doesn't mean we r devided in regions v show our unity and jats and other communities r giving examples of our unity and secularism during rajasthan matter.


den u said that
"Except Sachin Pilot, Just name one MP how is alive and have guts to stand up in Lok sabha to raise a gurjar concern. And who is that single neta for which all aur MLAs, MPs who are currently in Cong, BSP, SP will leave there party to stand by him? Big NONE. And what is he doing uniquely for upliftment of Gurjar despirt being a MP of ruling party.?"

brother i accept we don't hv too many strong leaders but it doesn't mean v hv noone...their is avtarsingh bhadana..u know he beaten son of omprakash chautala in his own office just because he commented something wrong abt gujjar community. also sanjay chauhan son of narayan singh(Ex deputy CM of UP done many work for gujjars) is a good leader, dinsha patel and some more. and our uneducated gujjar population is also responsible for this..politicians know that they can make fool of us easily.


but i m nvr agree with u on the topic of rajesh pilot. u shud get data of works done by rajesh pilot u'll know better.uske dil me gujjar community ki sewa ka jajba tha isiliye usne govt job chodkr community ki sewa me sb kuch laga diya.aapne kbhi socha k usne usne bharatpur aur dausa ko hi kyu chuna apne liye,, wo west UP,haryana ya Delhi me b apni politics chmka skta tha. bt use sewa krni thi community ki and sbse backward area ko iske liye chuna.wo jameen se huda hua neta tha..uska lunch and dinner fivestar hotels me nhi blki gujjar bhaiyo k beech chaupalo pe hota tha..jo dikhavti hota h uska sbhiko pta lg jata h bt all india ka gujjar uske liye ji jaan se tyar rhta tha.

kya aap usse popular kisi b gujjar leader ka name bta skte h jo freedom k bad hua ho jo uttarakhand and kashmeers se lekar maharastra tk k gujjars k beech gaya ho. kaha dausa and kaha haridwar bt jb wo dist haridwar k gaon me aata tha to gujjar community sb kam chodkr uske liye iktthe ho jati thi.. wo time nikal kr puri puri rat community k beech me rukta tha jaha problems discussion hota tha and entertainment k liye raagniyo k daur chlte the.

aap bol rhe h k sare kam pilot ne nhi krwae n isme mere aur aapke ancesters ka contribution h. yar gujjar caste me paise walo ki koi kami nhi h aaj but hum me se kitne time nikal kr aise ideas pe kam krte h 1100 ya 5100 ya 11000 rs contribute krna bada kam nhi h bada kam h iniciative lena.aur usko aage bdhana. aap btao wo election ldta tha dausa se usko kashmeer k gujjaro k liye kam krane ki jya jarurat thi usko konsi vote chahiye thi vaha se...??

aaj chandigarh me gujjar bhawan h just because of him.aap google images me sec 28 me clearly dekh skte h and its in the list of top hospitility centers of chandigarh.. kya usse phle haryana aur panjab k gujjario k pas paisa nhi tha... tha but us paise ka community k liye contribution krne wala aur time dene wala koi nhi tha.

aap laksar ki bat kr rhe h mujhe nhi lgta laksar me aisi koi prob thi k pilot sahab dusre backward areas like rajasthan and kasmeer and himachal ko chodke laksar ki majbut sdko ko aur njbut krne me jut jate. gujjars of laksar r strong enough to do well in everyfield, we shud think abt our brothers in rajasthan and kashmeer.fir b for ur knowledge there is a gujjar hostel in muzaffarnagar if u know... waha laksar, roorkee, bijnore saharanpur, kairana, tk k gujjar student study kr rhe h like graduation and preparation of civil services.


aapko btadu k aaj jitne b gujjar schools, hostels chl rhe h wo varios gujjar commeties chla rhi h but is sbke peeche ka idea pilot ka hi tha.ab naye log is kam ko aage bdha rhe h jaise roorkee paniyala road pe gujjar kanya gurukul khulne ja rha h by contribution of gujjar leaders of various parties(ravinder paniyala, kunwar pranav singh ch yashveer singh etc..)
pilot ki importance pta krne k liye kbhi b aap rajasthan jae to waha k gujjars even meena smaj k kisi member se b puch lena uski death k din pure dausa me chulha nhi jala tha gujjar community me. and m yakeen k sath kah skta hu k agar wo shaksh aaj hota to rajasthan k gujjar community ki tasveer kuch aur hi hoti.. unhe kbka ST status mil chuka hota jaise himachal and kashmeer me mil gaya tha.

M ne col baisnla ka jikra b nhi kiya yar aapne bol diya.... alsliyat to ye h k waha k gujjar samuday ko pilot k jane k baad se hi dusre pilot ki talash h jiska fayda kol baisla ne uthaya.
sachin pilot ki community me utni gahri bat nhi h jitni late rajesh pilot ki thi.


aapne bola k "wht u r thinking of urself...." bhai m kuch nhi samjh rha hu apne aapko again sorry if i hurt u at any point. bt khamiya count krna bahut easy h. aap pilot sahab ka 1% b krdo yakeen kro gujjar community aapki aabhari ho jaegi.

thanks.

[CHAUHAN]

hey guyz m soch rha hu k vijayraj ko ban krna sahi nhi h. i can say kuch bate jo vijayraj ne kahi sahi thi but humare liye kadvi ho skti h m ye b nhi bol rha k wo 100% hoonest tha but atleast he is nt abusing to anybody on forum and ready for a healthy conversation.
i guess apne ghr ki khidki darwaje bnd kr lena humari culture nhi h. koi b dusri community ka person humari forum pe time nikal k likh rha h to hum aise apne ghr se kaise bhga skte h usko...??also he is saying sorry to all brothers if sumone got hearts bcoz of him. and jb wo abuse krega to offcourse usko ban kr dia jaega.
dosto apne ghr me baithkr to vaise b kbhi hakikat pta nhi lgta mujhe to ye ek accha sign lg rha tha chlo humari forum pe dusri communities k member b time de rhe h. but don't know y u guyz facing prob in dis.
nywayz agar kisi ko meri bat pe koi b objection ho to clearly bol skta h.

[Vir Gurjareshwar]

Dear Sandeep
Why we should permit to a person from other caste to give us advise? It is possible only our Gurjar forums. No other caste forum digest any other caste entry or post.

Dusron par jaldi vishwas karna humari gurjar caste ki sbse badi kamjori hai, dhoka kha kha kar bhi kuch nahi sikhte. Samrat mihir bhoj bhi, Ram chandra vikal, Rajesh Pilot, Sardar Patel, sabhi si dhoke ke shikar hue. Aut tum kehte ho fir se inhi logo par vishwas karle.

Go to Wetern U.P.and Delhi, and listen the proverb from the mouth of brahmin, thakurs, yadavs, dalits for these two communities, Jat n taga. They are loyal towards selfishness.

Kya sahi kya galat, vo hume sabhi gurjars ko milkar sochna hai, kisi aur ki advise nahi chahiye. Humare bure din mein koi nahi aaya tha humari madad karne.
you can take example of recent Rajasthan Gurjar agitation.

Please do something new to wake up our caste.

Har ghar mein Adivarah Samrat Mihir Bhoj ki Tasveer honi chahiye. har ghar mein Pushkar, Brahma temple and Devnarayn Bhagwan ki photo honi chahhiye, Mata Gayatri ke sath (To whom Lord Brahma married in absence of his wife savitri). Before the prayer we sing gayatri Mantra.

regards,

Jai Vir Gurjar Desh

[aero1]

hi

I am Imran hassan gujjar from Islamabad Pakistan. mujhay apni Gujjar bradri ka ye forum dekh kr bht khushi hoi.umeed hy ke ap log wel come kahen gy mujhay. waiting for your comments.

[CHAUHAN]

u r most welcum imran bhai.. pleaze share ur views about ur great caste its a great plateform for gujjars.

[ashish12]

sandeep bro said that avtar singh bhadnana has beaten the sun of ohm prakash chatutala .i would like to know about this incidence .
as far as winning of avtar singh bhadana is cncerned ,winning in the election depends on so many factors .It was bhupinder singh hooda who curve out the jaat votes for bhadana ,otherwise your bhadana could never the jaat candidate mr. Ram singh bainda who is a jaat and 3 timese M.P. fro faridabad ............
i am here not to create the haterdness between both the communities but to reveal the facts and truth ........
i am waiting for ur reply sandeep bhai.............

[ashish12]

now the second thing which comes is fight between rajput and gujjars in ghaziabad........let me explain one by one .
I am living in ghaziabad since last 4 years .... i can explain you the whole political scenario here .first considering the things poppulationwise .....
the most dominating caste in ghziabad now a days is tyagi....... they have their M.L.A rajpal tyagi from muradnagar ..... they have good poppulation in whole ghaziabad city .......after that jaat comes ........M.L.A from modinagar is a jaat .....rajpal singh .......... ex-block president from muradnagar is ch. yogendra singh ........
i can explain the scenario everywhere in ghaziabad
modinagar domintateed by jaats and rajputs .....
muradnagar dominated first by tyagi's and then by jaats .
hapur domintated by tyagi's and punjabi jaats .
pilakhuwa seat is dominated by rajputs and then by gujjars & muslims .
garh seat is dominated by rajputs and jaats .......
yes no doubt in loni gujjars dominate................. so i am ready for any discussion here ...... bcz i always speak with facts & figures ............

[CHAUHAN]

aashish bhai,
i have no details of that incident now because i heared of that before many years and dont knw exactly now so dat i can provide you details.. but in case of faridabad u r wrong ,i knw abt faridabad seat, gujjars are in majority there...if you are talking about Mr ram singh bainda dat was a diffrent era brother.. us time ko bhul jao ashish bhai now u can see the increasing number of gujjar MP/MLAs in every election.. when india got freedom most gujjars were staying in a pathetic condition.. they were illitrate and awareness was zero.. also they were nominated as a criminal tribe by britishers.. and its a fact jats and hindu rajputs took a lot of profits during british rule...revolution of 1857 was mainly responsible for this condition of gujjars. but after freedom they started progressing by very slow rate.. and now they are doing well. i can give u an example of our MLA seat its completely dominated by gujjars but recently most of the MLAs were non gujjars...but now the scene has changed and new gujjars areas are emerging.
and its also a fact gujjars always supported Jat candidates and many Jat leaders took benifit of this and gujjars were used to ignore by most parties.. gujjars were never in light in western up but now scenario is being changed and you can see that.


now about fight between two communities ashish bhai it was not about population of gujjars in gzbd it was about fight took place between members of both communities...anyways i'll reply


first i want to tell you that ghaziabad lok sabha constituency comprises five legislative assembly segments. these are..
1.loni
2.muradnagar
3.sahibabad
4.ghaziabad
5.dhaulana

u r right about ghaziabad, tyagis are in majority there jats also are in a good number but gujjars also ahve a siezable population i know they have many villages.

yes gujjars are not in majority in muradnagar.

modinagar is not a part of ghaziabad constituency.

gujjars are in majority in loni.

u din't tell about sahibabad and dhaulana..!

and again i also dont want any haterdness between gujjars and jats communities. we should live like brothers.it would be much better for both communities because hate is solution of nothing...always narrow minded people do that. we should fight aginst fake leaders either Jat or gujjar...if we ignore some small examples history always saw good relations of both communities.
thanks.