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Post by AP Singh on Oct 19, 2009 15:36:47 GMT 5.5
Hi Ashok,
Happy Diwali,
Yuezi ( or Yuechi ) is the chinese name of Gurj or Gujar. The Gurjara is sanskrit word and stands for Gujar Raja. That is the reason only the Pratihars who were Gujjars Rajas in real term used it and not other Gujjar ruling clans like Parmar, Solanki,Chauhan,Tanwar Chandila, Guhila used the term since they were rulers of their own respective Gujjar Gotra ( Clan).
There is no doubt that Khatana and Vokkana clan of Gujjars were one of five main branches of Gujars called Yuechi in chinese literature. The Vokkana is mentioned in Mathura inscription of Kushana Emperors. Moreover I have given an internet link about Badshkhan which is old Vokkana.
Cherchan is certainly the fourth main branch. The Chechanya is named after them and the Gorz Turk are certainly Gujjars who ruled over Central Asea during Kushana Empire.
The Fifth branch may be Hao Tun which are called White Huns in India and a prominent Gotra among Gujjars, who came later in fifth century but some of them were part of Gujjar Kushana Empire.
The Kushan are said to be descendent of Kusha, the younger son of Lord Rama, like Brahman are from Brahma, the Kushan branch of Gujjar are descendents of Kush.
The Gujjar Pratihars were the rulers of Pratihar Region ( Presently Potohar region) and seems to be of the same branch of Gujjars to which Nagara and Varajjara ( Bajjad) belong. The Parmar clan of Gujjars also seems to be of the same line.
Chauhan the Rulers of Chaman, Meelu ( the rulers of Mohilsthan, i,e,. Mulasthan), Kalsian ( The ruler of Khalchyan or Yangi) are the branches of Cherchan ( Chechi) Gotra of Gujjars. Chauhan is certainly not the main branch.
Jat is a Gotra among Gujjars of J&K, Pakistan and Afghanistan. In chinese records the second batch of Yuechi are called as Yetha and I think that people of this group were called Jats and formed a separate group in India than the Jats who came along with the Kushanas.
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Post by AP Singh on Oct 19, 2009 15:51:29 GMT 5.5
Some more links to prove that Bokkan Gotra of Gujjars was one of the five main branch of Yuechis, the chinese name for Guzar. Later Huentsang used the word Ku-che-lo for Guzar+Rajas i,e,. for Gurjara. 1. Ancient communities of the Himalaya - Google Books Result by Dinesh Prasad Saklani - 1998 - History - 196 pages ... mention Hiu-mi the present Wakhan, Shuang-mi, ie, Chitral and Kuei-Shuang or Gandhara and others. (For the identification of Vokkana with ... books.google.co.in/books?isbn=817387090X...Aukana Buddha Statue, Sri Lanka 2. In the ancient times Bamiyan, the region where Mahayana Buddhism originated, was known as Vokkana or Avakana. Do we have a clue to the name Aukana? ... www.mysrilankaholidays.com/aukana-buddha-statue.html - Cached - Similar |
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 8, 2009 13:51:54 GMT 5.5
The Youdheyana ( The Yadav Gotra of Gujjars) coins also has the word Bhadana engraved on.
See the details of the following coins:
1. Vrisha-Gaja ( Bull and Elephant) from Rohtak:
Details: Copper; circular. 1.90 cm.;wt. 38 grains. Border:Brahmi Legend: Yodheyana and lower portion has the legenf Bahudhanaka ( presen ly Bhadana gotra of Gujjars) .
2. Copper Circular 1.80 cm. 39.10 grains, with Bull standing with Dwaja inside railing. The entire Brahmi script legend yaudeheyanam Bahudhanaka is oreserved.
Hence the Gujjar Gotra of Bhadana must be related to Yaudheyasa branch of Gujjars who defeated the Rudradaman, the Shaka rulers of present day Gujarat on behalf of Gujjar Kushana.
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Post by jaidev choudhary on Dec 17, 2009 18:02:50 GMT 5.5
hii dear,
iam jaidev choudhary (bainsla) can you tell me about the meaning of bainsla....kya koi history hai is gotra ki??? wese mai mevla bhatti u.p ka hun...apne satbir gujjar aur mahender fojji ka nam suna hoga...there are my uncle.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Dec 18, 2009 12:29:20 GMT 5.5
During 10th century, there was one ruler under Gurjar-Pratihars named Vishaldev (Contemporery to baba Devnarayan Chauhan) from Ajmer. This Vishal Dev was better known by his nickname (or simple form of his name) "Bisal dev".
His lineage was forced to migrate to east (haryana and UP) due to their conflict with Bagrawats (Baba Dev Naryan Chauahn).
His descendennts were called baisle.
It is a language rule that the noun for vishal becomes Vaishale, similarly as vichar (thoughts) becomes "Vaicharik" (thoughtful).
(same gotra "Beesle" is found in Jaats but with different pronounciation)
Regards
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 18, 2009 16:13:00 GMT 5.5
I think Bainsla ( Rulers of Banswada) and Chandila ( The Rulers of Kalinjar and Jejajubhukti) are the Gotra of Gujjar Pratihar Era.
The Bagad ( named similar as Bajaur or Vajra Vihar area in present day Pakistan since Gujjar rulers of both these area were the same sub clan of Gujjars) was very large during the days of Gujjar Pratihar rule. The Samadhi of Baba Jahar Peer ( Born in a Gujjar Chauhan family) is in present day Haryana and in his folk song he is said as Bagad Wale Baba. Baba Jahar Peer still survive among ther folklores of Gujjars residing as far as Afghanistan and worshipped by the Jogis ( also called Goswamis today). Jogis were one the fighter clans among Gujjar army and Jogi ka Tila ( The Jogi Hills) is still named the same in present day Nangarhar, the old capital of Bajjar and Nagara Gujjars.
The Bainsla Gujjars must bethe rulers of Banswada, which was part of Bagad region and ruled by the Gujjars till the invasion of Babar.
This facts is also supported by the claims of Bhonsla ( or Bhainsla) family of Maharashtra to which Shiwaji belonged that they migrated from Bagad Region. This migration also must have happened only after the invasion of Babar.
Most of the Gujjar Gotra denotes to the area of their rule during the days of Gujjar Empire only otherwise there would have gotras like Bhoja or Nagabhatta or Kanishka etc. who were great rulers than the Gujjar Chauhan Beesal Dev of Ajmer.
For Bhumala Gotra I found the place and there was a small capital named as Bhumili in present day Gujarat when Huen-Tsang visited India.
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 18, 2009 16:34:31 GMT 5.5
I think Bainsla ( Rulers of Banswada) and Chandila ( The Rulers of Kalinjar and Jejajubhukti) are the Gotra of Gujjar Pratihar Era.
The Bainsla Gujjars must be the rulers of Banswada, which was part of Bagad region and ruled by the Gujjars till the invasion of Babar.
See the following links for my above claim: 1. Rawal Udai Singh Nagahradi was the last Gujjar ruler of place. It is a fabricated history by the bards that he divided his kingdom of Bagar in two parts as Dungarpur and Banswara. Later after his death his territories were taken Askaran who was descendent of Rana Sanga, who fled from the battle of Khanwa and thus saved his territories from others. 2. THE AIN I AKBARI BY ABUL FAZL 'ALLAMI (ri, Volume 2, chpt. 167 ) confirms the facts that these Gujjar territories were later ruled the Seesodias, the clan to Sanga belonged. See the text from the book: In the vicinity of Mórá and Mangréj is a state called Pal through which runs the river Mahendri towards the Gujarát side. It has a separate ruler who resides at Dúngarpúr. On the Málwah side is Bánswálah (Bánswára) and that too has a separate chief. Each of them has a force of 5,000 horse and 10,000 foot, and both are of the Sesódiah clan. The rulers were of the Ráná's family, but for some time past it has been otherwise[/b] I Think the Gujjar Parmara, Nagara, Bajjad and Bainsla belong to the same old clan of Gujjar to which Pratihar belonged. The Bainsla Gujjar in and around Delhi has been migrated after the invasion of Babar. This kind of stories that Brahmins invited Bainsla Gujjars in Kotla village located in Central Delhi, to protect them from Mughal rulers. Similar stories are still told in Tigaon village in NCR region where Gujjar Nagara were invited by their cousin brothers, Adhanas to have an upper hand over Mughal representatives. |
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Dec 18, 2009 19:28:10 GMT 5.5
Pretty accurate. Gurjar gotras were derived after the place they lived or ruled.
But there are two confusions
A.) The name Banswada is derived after "bamboo trees" "Baans". The place of Bamboo Trees.
B.) If Bhonsle and Bainsla are one and the same group then bainslas can not be from Banswara as Bhonsles were from Hoshiarpur, punjab.
So the name is Baans-Wala or baanswada. Can we derive bainsla or Bhonsle from this name?
So we may deduce from the above discussion:
1. There might be some other place which gave name to Bainsla clan.
2. The place Banswara was part of Bagad territory and the ruler of bagad are present as Bagadi or Bagari gujjars (Ex. The famous sikh chieftain Gujjar Singh Bagri, often missspled as Gujjar singh bhangi)
3. The banisla or Bhonsles were from a small village called Malewal in district hoshiarpur, Punjab. The ancestors of Shivaji came from this area.
4. The parent gotra of Bainsla was Bhumbla.
Parmars were an offshoot of Chapokataka or chap Gujjar clan, which was ruling over bharoch during 6th and 7th centuries. Dadda-2 of Chap Gujjar clan defeated Nagas and Maitriks to wrestle bharoch and establish the first Pratihar empire in Gujarat. The Chaps defeated Harshvardhan when he attacked Dhruvsena-2 (Maitrik King of Vallabhi).
They also ruled the famous Bhinmal kingdom when Huien Tsang visited India in 647 AD.
The origin of Chaps are uncertain but they were most probabaly from the Tomar branch (They connected themselves to Jabila torman, the famous Huna**).
They got this name "Chapokat***" as they were best archers among tomar army. This again proves that the Royal family of pratihars was from the Tomars.
** The Chap Gujjar King of Bhinmala named "Vyaghramukha" made some coins relating chapas to Shweta Hunas.
*** Chapotkat or Chap-utkristh" means best in archery.
Chaulukyas or Solanki were also the offshoots of the same Chap clan.
Today we find many direct subclans of those Chap Gujjars such as Chaprane, Chawla, Chopra, Chapra, Chhawri and Chawda.
Keep researching....
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 19, 2009 15:09:42 GMT 5.5
It is very much possible that Bainsla Gotra may be older and Bainswara may have been named after them which is only possible when it was ruled by the Bainsla Gujjars at some point of time. So it also proves that Banswara was ruled by Bainsla Gujjar at some point if Time.
Bagdi, Bagdee, Bajjad, Bajjar are one and same and are variation of Varrajara clan mentioned in Gwalior inscription of Samrat Mihira Bhoja Mahan. Hoshiyarpur is certainly inhabited by the Gujjars of Varajjara clan and Major Tufail, Nishane Haider Pakistan was from Varajjar Gotra of Gujjars and was born in Hoshiyarpur District of Punjab ( India).
In case of Gujjar Singh Bhangi, the word Bhangi could be because of his eating habits of Bhang and not because of his clan of Varajjara to which he belonged. Similarly Kutubuddin Aibak , a slave ruler ( Slave of Ghori) who installed another slave, a Gola ( Dasiputra) of Prithviraj Chauhan on the throne of Ranthmbore was having a disfugured finger in one of his hand and that is why he was called Aibak ( In Gojri language the word Aibee is still used for this kind of abnormality, like a person with one eye is also called Aibee).
Col. Todd has written that the descendents of Shivaji went from Mewar region ( a part of Bagar region) and his name Bainsla also suggest the same that they must have been the rulers of Banswara. This ancestors of Shivaji maigrated later to Khandesa after the invasion of Babar whereas other Gujjar clans were already established there must the main reason of some differentiation between main Gujjar line and Bhonsla line of Gujjars in that region.
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 19, 2009 15:33:10 GMT 5.5
Without Historiacal evidences it is difficult to predict that which Gujjar Gotra belong to which group. Like Khachyan gotra of Gujjar say that they are branch of Chauhan but Khalshyan was one of prominent gotra during the Gujjar Kushana Empire and it only the oppsite ot ot can be true and Chauhan must a branch of Khalchyan. This confusion may because there are other smilarly looking gotras like kalas, Kalsa etc. among Gujjars which may the Branch of Gujjar Chauhans, Chauhan name also must be of Gujjar Kushana Empire and Chaman is place in the vicinity of Nangarhar, Bajauar, Potohar and Kapisa ( the capital of Kapisia Gotra of Gujjars). Khalchayan, the capital of Khalshyan Gujjars is site of high degree related Gujjar Kushana as far as Historical an darchaeological evidences are concerned and more can be read about it on similar sites given below: Khalchayan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Khalchayan (also Khaltchaïan) is an archaeological site, thought to be a small palace or a reception hall, located near the modern town of Denov in ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalchayan - Cached - SimilarGraecoBactrian Art and Gandhara: Khalchayan and the Gandhara ... by B Rowland Jr - 1971 - Related articles of Khalchayan in its relation to the art of Hadda,. Taxila, and Central. Asia with .... the sculpture of Khalchayan. The individualized ... www.jstor.org/stable/20111029 |
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