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Post by AP Singh on Feb 13, 2009 13:54:25 GMT 5.5
Mostly Gujar historians agree (NOT ME) that Baisoyas are the descendents of Prithviraj Chauhan. They came to Delhi (Village Gadhi Jhadiya Madiya) in around 1400 AD. All baisoya villages were an extension of this jhadiya madiya family. But if this is true then Why the most famous (controversial) Chechen rebel leader Shyamil Baisoye was called Gujjar.  ?
Gujjar king Kumar Pal Solanki was so powerful that he has appointed one of his Potter servant ( Kumhar) as Governer of Chittor fort to rule on his behalf and no one could dare challenge his authority which was supreme at that time. That proves that he was an emperor of this part of India.
During the reign of Mulraj, the Gujjar Solankis defeated Muhammad Ghori eight times and on two occassions Chased Ghori up to Gazni and on one occasion while returning one Group of these Gujjar Solankis settled in Delhi and were called Baisoya after settling permanently in and around Delhi. . Later when Ghori attacked the Prithviraj Chauhan, another clan of Gujjar rulers, the services of these Gujjar Solankis must have been requested by him . If anybody want to read more about these Solanki Gujjars there two very good books available:-
1. Sidharaj which is in the form of poetry, written by the National Poet Shri Maithili Sharan Gupt.
2. Kumar Pal Chalukya written by Laxmi Shankar Vyas. This book won a Gyan Pitha award where is is proved that the Gujjar King Kumar Pal has achieved the status of an Emperor. |
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Post by AP Singh on Feb 13, 2009 14:09:36 GMT 5.5
There is another book "Kumar Pal Charita" which is the main source of the information taken by Col Todd to define that who is Khastriya in India. He has taken 36 Royal Races of India where 90% of the races mentioned are nothing but various Gujjar Gotras only.
That is the reason that Gujjars reffered were as the Highest Race of India recorded in persian historical books since all the kings were from this ruling race including the lord of the Universes the Gujjars Pirthihars ( means the the lord of the Earth).
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Post by AP Singh on Feb 21, 2009 16:33:32 GMT 5.5
Here is the link providing information about the Khotan, the Capital of Khatana Gujjars, which was taken over by the Muslim invaders in 11th. century after the fall of Gujjar Pratihars Empire and with the division of many Gujjars Kingdoms like of Gujjar Chauhans, Gujjar Solankis,Gujjar Chandela, Gujjar Tanwars, Gujjar Parmars etc.etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_KhotanIt seems that the Kasana and Khatana Gujjars are of the same origin and they are the descendents of Kusha, the younger son of lord Rama.The information is also pasted here: The ancient city of Khotan was the capital, now known by its modern Chinese name Hotan or Hetian (Chinese: 和田; pinyin: hétián) — also romanized Hotan or Khotan). From the Han Dynasty until at least the Tang Dynasty it was known in Chinese as Yutian 于窴. Built on an oasis, its mulberry groves allowed the production and export of silk and silk rugs, in addition to the city's other major products such as its famous nephrite jade and pottery. [edit] Culture According to legend, the foundation of Khotan occurred when Kushtana, said to be a son of the Indian Buddhist emperor Ashoka, settled there in the early 3rd century BCE. However, it is likely to have existed earlier than this as the Yuezhi (known later as the Kushans) had been trading the famous nephrite jade from the region to China for some centuries prior to this. The kingdom became one of the major centers of Buddhism, and is primarily associated with the Mahayana branch. It differed in this respect to Kucha, a Śrāvakayāna-dominated kingdom on the opposite side of the desert. Fa-Hsien account of the city states it had fourteen large and many small Buddhist monasteries[3]. Many foreign languages, including Chinese, Sanskrit, Prakrit and Tibetan, were used in cultural exchange. Khotan was the first place outside of China to begin cultivating silk. The story, repeated in many sources, and illustrated in murals discovered by archaeologists, is that a Chinese princess brought silkworm eggs in her hairdo when she was sent to marry the Khotanese king. This probably took place in the first half of the 1st century CE.[4] It came under Muslim control in the first decade of the 11th century. Marco Polo visited Khotan between 1271 and 1275 and remarked that the people were "all followers of Mahommet." In his Diwanu Lughat at-Turk, the 11th century Turkish scholar Mahmud al-Kashgari included a verse describing the Muslim conquest of Khotan: Like river torrents We flooded their cities We destroyed their monasteries And shat on the statues of the Buddha.[ |
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 22, 2009 0:19:02 GMT 5.5
Hello AP Bhaisaab, You are absolutely correct about khatana and kasanas ...Khatan Gujjars or yuchis were a kshatriya clan which later (2nd century BC) divided into two and half 2 1/2 subclans chechi, Kasana, bergat (wherer bergat being from a non-gujjar mother was given the status of half Gujjar and thus making 2.5 gotra of Gujjars. Later they divided into five subclans namely Chechi (Naikare), Kasana (Kushan), Khatana (Khotane), Bergat (Bagrated) and Gorsi (derived from ghurswar). After this point of time the various kshatriya clans kept merging into Gujjars and main five Gujjar clans were again divided into many small clans. Today we have 84 asal Gujjar gotras (lor or Lehva) with 333 offshoots (an offshoot means a gotra derived from a major clan like chawdas, chopras, chaprana are an offshoot of chap gujjar gotra. Similarly deepe (deep raj chauhan), Devde (Dev Raj chauhan) and kalsyane (kalasraj chauhan) are offshoots of Chauhan Gujjar Gotra) 700 something nakal (khari or kadhva) Gujjar clans. Today also we may notice that the Chief Gujjar clans i.e chechi, kasana, khatana and gorsi are the largest clans in Gujjars. ref books.google.co.in/books?id=1QmrSwFYe60C&pg=RA2-PA314&lpg=RA2-PA314&dq=kasana+and+khatana&source=bl&ots=qKX65_d717&sig=rZ5Bhqswh6Nv9rAC8eGZPN3GLA4&hl=en&ei=K0igSdHeOJjEkAW3qNzPCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=resultRegards Ashok harsana |
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Post by AP Singh on Feb 23, 2009 14:00:54 GMT 5.5
Dear Ashok,
The Kharis must also be one of the branches of these Kasana Gujjars.
The Khar is a place located near Pakistan Afghanistan border and the Gujjar Rulers of that place must have called Khari Gujjars as per normal practice used at that time. The Gujjar Kharis are said to be the descendents of Kush the younger son of lord Rama.
Similarly te Rulers of Loh Kot ( Present day Lahore) were called called Gujjar Levas who are said to be the descendents of Lov, the elder son of lord Rama.
The Leva Gujjars of Hoshangabad migrated in 16th. century from Gwalior region. The Leva Gujjars are also called as Lohor, Lor, Leva Gujjars and probably Lohmor is bracnch of of these Gujjars.
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Post by AP Singh on Feb 23, 2009 14:08:42 GMT 5.5
Here is the information about the Gurha Khar ( The fort of Khar) the ancient capital of Khari Gujjars:
Gurha Khar is situated in the destination of 파키스탄. As to the administrative division, Gurha Khar belongs to N.W.F.P. . Several major tourist attractions can be mentioned in the town’s surroundings, like Buddhistický klášter Takht-i-Bahi a ruiny města Sahr-i-Bahlol about 69 km, Pevnost Rohtas about 183 km, Tvrz Bala Hissar, about 320 km. Larger cities in the surroundings are Město Taxila about 74 km, Historické centrum města Šachrisabz (Shakhrisyabz) about 732 km, Dillí, about 773 km. More information about the town’s surroundings can be found at the link on the left Attractions in the Surroundings. The nearest international airport (DEL) Delhi Indira Gandhi Intl Airport is situated about 814 km from the town of Gurha Khar.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 23, 2009 23:09:24 GMT 5.5
Hello AP Bhaisaab,
In my opinion, after being displaced from gansu province by Xiongnu, the larger Khari Gujjar group which is better known as Ta-yuezhi (also known as Tochari, pronounced as Tau- khari) entered India in around 2nd century BC as Kushans (and were settled at Kharian. While the smaller group known as Lor group entered India in later times as Red Huns (Chionites) and White huns (Hepthalites) (settled at lorkot or lahore).
Lors considered themselves better as the Kharis inspite of being the larger group, left the battlefield leaving Lors alone. After that the Lors quit all matrimonial relations with kharis.
This Lor group soon started to capture or influence all the Indian states after 5th century AD. Pratihars, Chauhans, Chaps, Tomars, Kachchwahas, Chandelas and Solankis were all from the Lor (hepthalite) group. But we need not to confuse the dynasties with the surnames. Both of these groups had same people and clans i.e Chechi, Kushan, khatan, Gorsi and Barkat.
I have already expalined the origin of the most celebrated Tomar and chauhan clans of Gujjars which later jointly made the Pratihara Kingdom (the ruling pratihara clan being from the Tomar clan (lumbre or Salumbare family)).
The other ruling clans such as Chaulukyas (Solankis) and Parmars were the offshoots of Chap Gujjar Dynasty which itself was an offshoot of Chuhan clan (hepthlaites).
We have another version of the story. Luv was the only son of Rama and Sita. In 90% versions of Ramayana, Rama had only one son. But according to the Valmiki krit Ramayana (which unfortunately is the most famous version in India), Rama created Kush from a twig (Hindi: Tinka, Sanskrit: Kush) and hance named him Kush. Therefore Kush was clearly not born of Sita. In that case the generation of Luv (luhva or lehva or lohor or lohmor) was called assal (real or pure blood) and that of Kush was called nakkal (unreal or impure). This story simply means that kush was born to another woman (Rama's second wife?).
The Lor group was a warlike group and they were in constant conflict with Xiongnu and Hans etc. That was the only reason that they were less in population.
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Post by AP Singh on Feb 24, 2009 13:37:03 GMT 5.5
Dear Ashok,
Mr. Ganpati Singh, A highly respected scholar on Gujjars History, did lot reasearch about Leva and Khari Gotra of Gujjars. Apart from reading and analyzing historical records he valued the old stories and saying among Gujjars. As per him the the division between Leva and Khari Gujjars was created at the time of the Hun invasion and Hun invasion.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 25, 2009 16:13:57 GMT 5.5
Some people also mistake Ta-yuezhi and lesser Yuezhis as Messagatea and lesser gatea. Messagtea were Jits (or jats or Jaats), Messa means big.
There are many historical facts to prove the relation between Khari group and kushans. The Kushan used the script named Kharoshthi. They first settled in Kharian. They also named Khotan (khar-sthan). Kushans were one of the five Ta-Yuezhi (Khari) groups which reached indian subcontinent in around 200 BC. They were followed by the Lors (Red and white huns).
Most of the Kharis are today known as rajputs (specifically Pundirs of UP) and use Tha-khar (or Thakur, derived from Tochars Ta-Kharis.) as their title. They are not famous as rajputs and they are not proud of being so, they rather prefer to be called THAKHAR.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 25, 2009 16:20:53 GMT 5.5
The later or lesser Yuezhis were also called Huns because when they were left alone by the Ta-yuezhis, they had to sought refuge among Qiang barbarians and mixed with them for sometime, making them more closer to Barbarians (huns). They reached Indian subcontinent in around 2nd century AD (400 yrs after ta-yuezhi).
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