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Post by mazhar gujjar on Dec 5, 2006 20:46:48 GMT 5.5
HI DR AP SINGH JEE AND OTHER GUJJARS
NWFP(north west frontier province) having borders with afghanistan. gujjar is the biggest tribe of the province.
but unfortunately this province is famous as pathan province.
there r many places which have not any other tribe but only gujjars but in the papers there is no name of gujjar at that area.
dr ap singh jee i m not a historian and there is no name of gujjars in the history bcoz the historians have been made a great
plunder with the gujjars everywhere.
bcoz the frontier province is high mountanous area.
gujjar tribes were far away from cities and towns.they did not know what has been writting about them.
the total history of gujjars have been demolished by the pathans.
the main gujjar personalities have been owned by others.
the areas which have not anyother tribe.but the freedom fighters
of that area were pathans.what a strange thing.
till pathans which were their leaders did not tell anyone that there is any gujjar in their area.
but now the condition has been changed in most areas.the gujjars have been awaked.
there r many innocent and poor gujjars have become member of assembly of union councils.those people hve no political background but only become members with the vote of their gujjar tribe.
even many unknown gujjars which have no party tickets have defeated many ministers only gujjar votes.
so i cannot tell u the history of that areas but i can tell u the present situation of those areas.which is very interesting.
i shall write by parts.
next time i shall write about wali(king) of swat.which was a great freedom fighters and the britisheners could not occupied his state. the swat was also state till 1964.
the wali of swat akhund abdul ghafoor was also khatana gujjar. but now the pathans have been made him yusofzai pathan.
in old english books he was a gujjar.
mazhar gujjar lahore pakistan.
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 6, 2006 11:44:29 GMT 5.5
Dear Mazhar Bhai,
Now the situation is changing. My purpose is to educate Gujjars about their History, though it is not my subject as I did my Graduataion in Electronics and Commuication Engineering.
I read about Ysufzhai Pathans in Babarnama and they pleaded mercy from Babar by giving his a daughter of their chief.
There is place called Bajaur in NWFP which is named after the Bajar Gotra of Gujjars. I am told that Nishane Haider of Pakistan Major Tufail Haider was a Gujjar of bajar Gotra.
There is another area called Nangarhar which is named after the Nagdi (Nangari, Nagar) gotra of Gujjars. Nagars were Rana of Naghda, which is a strategic place and route from Mumbai to Afghanistan to control and collect the taxes on Salts and other trades from for Gujjar Emperors.
What I could analyse from history is that the Gujjars of Swat were the one of the best unit of Gujjars Emperors who were placed to check the Arab invaders at Payab Ghat and in Babarnama that place is called as Gujarbasi.
Would you please provide information about the various Gotra of Gujjars living in that area and also the period of rule of Gujjar king Raja Ram of Bhatti gotra who ruled there for many years.
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Post by mazhar gujjar on Dec 8, 2006 11:11:54 GMT 5.5
DEAR AP SINGH JEE,
u r absolutely right that the gujjars of swat and nwfp were the best.
it could be that bajaur and nangarhar named om gujjar gotras.bcoz bajaur and nangarhar having border with eachother.
bajar is a big gotra of that areas. but i could not met any nagar gujjar in those areas. the main gotras of that areas r
,, chohan, chechi, kasana, bajar,khatana, bhadana,seir,
chokar, Jat is also a gujjar gotra in the area.
the tribal system in those areas much powerfull and systimatic in the whole world.
gotra system is also much powerfull. in those areas gotra is called as khel. for example ,,chohan khel or khatan khel or kasana khel.
the villages r inhabitted by a gotra. if a village is chechi gotra then the 10 nmile villages will be usualy chechi gotras.
gabral valley is 20 mile long valley of swat .the whole valley is
inhabited by kasana khel.
miandam is also a beautiful valley and most gujjars r chechi khel.
jaban in malakand agency.the whole area is inhabitted by chohan gujjars.
there is also a good and interesting thing that there is no rajput or Jat chohan in the whole area.
there will be lak chohan and they dont know the word of rajput.
awan khel is also a big gotra of the areas .they dont know that
some awan do not call themselve as gujjar.
the language of the gujjars is pure. bcoz there native language
pushto is not match with it.
kasana is biggest gotra bcoz this area was kanishkas area.
kushan dynosty till have great influence in these areas.
mazhar gujjar.
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 8, 2006 11:41:16 GMT 5.5
Dear Mazhar Bhai,
Thank you for the authentic information.
The Rajput word is not there since it has appreared in History only after the Mughal empire was established in India.
I heared that Raja Ram Bhatti was the fuedatory king of Swat of the Gujjar Pratihar overlords.
The Nangde (Also called Nagar, Nagari,Nangdi) is a big gotra among Gujjars in India. In Western UP of India there are more than 500 villages of Nangdi and bhatti Gujjars settled side by side and the area was known as Bhatner. The Parikshat Garh state in UP was of Nangde Gujjars which was taken by the britishers after the 1857 revolt mostly fought by Gujjars was defeated by them. There is a possibility that Nangde and Bhatti Gujjars must have migrated to this part of the country after the Gujjars lost their Imperial Powers.
I have given many authentic proof on the following site and hope that information will be useful to Gujjars. The site is Allempires.com and the thread is the Royal Gurjars started by Mr. Ashok Harsana in the section of History of South and South East Asia. The other threads are as follows:
1. The Royal Gurjars.
2. The rajput Chivalry.
3. 1857 and Gujjars.
4. There is one more thread about Tazmahal.
With best regards.
AP Singh
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Post by guest on Aug 2, 2008 10:40:18 GMT 5.5
www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2370071Amanullah Guzar Attempts to Maintain Stability in Kabul By Waliullah Rahmani It was just one week after the series of deadly explosions in Kabul that newly appointed Kabul police chief Amanullah Guzar announced that his forces had arrested seven people responsible for the blasts (Radio Liberty, July 13). One of the suspects, Qari Hakim Mullah, was an alleged mastermind of suicide operations in Kabul. Upon a search of his home in the capital, several remote-controlled bombs and weapons were discovered. Guzar's success in arresting Qari Hakim Mullah speaks to his powerful presence as the new police chief of Kabul. Appointed during the May 29 riots in Kabul, Guzar promised that he would establish control of the capital's security situation (Sabawoon Online, June 14). One of his first acts after taking office was to intensify night patrols in the capital; prior to Guzar's appointment, night patrols were not as strict or as frequent. Additionally, in his first days on the job, Guzar increased security by instituting a curfew that helped to control the chaotic situation in the capital as a result of the riots. Indeed, at the time of Guzar's appointment, the May 29 riots changed the face of Kabul; the riots caused what was labeled the worst security situation in Kabul since the fall of the Taliban. While Guzar has established some control in Kabul, the international community has criticized his appointment as police chief due to his alleged past human rights abuses. According to international diplomats, Guzar has been linked to land theft and extortion in his home territory in the Shomali plains, which is in Parwan province north of Kabul (Terrorism Monitor, June 29). As a result of these criticisms, it is important to understand Guzar's background and his effect on the security situation in Kabul. Amanullah Guzar, a 43 year-old ethnic Tajik, was born in a rural-based family in Guzar village, situated in Shakardareh district north of Kabul province. Guzar did not receive higher education, and when he was 18 joined the mujahideen to fight the Soviets. During the jihad against the Soviets, Guzar fought on behalf of Burhanuddin Rabbani's Jamiat Islami party; at this time, Guzar was not yet considered an important leader. Yet when the Taliban captured Kabul in 1996, Guzar fought well on the frontline in his own village against the Taliban. His fighting led Northern Alliance military leader Ahmad Shah Massoud to appoint him as the commander of Alliance forces north of Kabul, according to a former Jamiat Islami commander, Mir Haider Mutuhar, who spoke to The Jamestown Foundation on July 12. According to General Saleh Rigestani, who recounted to The Jamestown Foundation the history of Guzar's commanding since 1996, Guzar was a very combative commander until the ouster of the Taliban; he was one of the senior commanders of Northern Alliance forces. Since the fall of the Taliban regime in late 2001, Guzar has worked in the Afghan National Police. At first, during the interim and transitional state of Afghanistan, he was appointed as the 8th Division Commander. Then, Guzar assumed the post of commander of the northern highway patrol (pz.rawa.org, June 5). Overall, Guzar is considered to be an effective leader for securing Kabul. According to Mutahar, "Guzar can control Kabul well because he is aware of everybody in this city and is native to the area. He is well aware of the places where anti-government elements are active in the capital." Furthermore, Rigestani explained that Guzar has been a serious and accountable mujahid during the 20 years that he has known him. He said, "The majority of the Kabul population is from the north and Amanullah Guzar knows how to deal with them. He can have success in his current post." Now, more than one month after his appointment, many are hoping that Guzar's past achievements will help him to increase government control over the capital and to maintain stability in a precarious security environment.
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Post by AP Singh on Aug 20, 2008 17:32:37 GMT 5.5
In punjabi folk songs the word Khattan still used for tough area ruled by Khatan Gujjars. For example:" Baraha Barsi khattan gaya see etc." Similarly the word Khattan is still used in rajasthani folklores for the area beyond Kabul glorifying these Great Gujjar Khatana warriors, the former rulers of this part of Afghanistan.
At the time of downfall of Mughal Empire one Khatana Gujjar kingdom was established in SWAT area. One can still find the millions of Khatan Gujjars in those frontier area confirming the fact the these warriors defended those forntiers from invaders for their Imperial Gujjar Pratihar overlords.
The founder of this kingdom was ABDUL GHAFUR [Khatana Gujar], Akhund of Swat, born 1795/6 in Upper Swat, son of Abdul Wahid of the Safi tribe, married and had issue. He died 1877.
His descendents are called "Akhundzada" and presently are spread over Swat of Pakistan and Kunar and Helmand provices of Afghanistan.
SWAT (Princely State)
AREA: ?? km2 PRIVY PURSE: 750,000Rs ACCESSION: 28th July 1969
STATE: Pakistan (Frontier State) DYNASTY: Safi Pathan RELIGION: Muslim
PRESENT RULER: Capt. (ret'd.) HH Miangul AURANGZEB Akhundzada, Wali Sahib of Swat (1987/-)
born 28th May 1928, married 10th April 1955, Nasim Ayub, daughter of Field Marshal H.E. Muhammed Ayub Khan, President of Pakistan, and has issue.
Ishrat Aurangzeb, married Nawabzada Khwaja Amanullah Askari, son of Nawab Khwaja Hasan Askari of Dhaka, and has issue.
Sahibzadi Ayesha Amina Askari
Fakhri Aurangzeb, married Miangul Akbarzeb (see below)
Miangul Adnan Aurangzeb, married Zainab Ayub, daughter of Gohar Ayub Khan.
Miangul Mahmood Aurangzeb, married Shameera.
Miangul Hassan Aurangzeb, married a daughter of Miangul Ahmedzeb (see below).
PREDECESSORS AND SHORT HISTORY: Founded in 1849. Rulers were......
Sayyid Zaaman Shah, left his home in Takhta Band (Buner) to travel to Delhi, where he was granted lands by the Mughal Emperor, married the daughter of an Afghan Sardar in Chach, and had issue. He died at Pakli in Hazara district.
Sayyid Shah Gul [Shah Jee], married in Gandaf to Sayyid Sher Shah, and had issue.
Sayyid Azam Shah, married the daughter of Ahmad Ali Khan Palaal, niece of Khan Nawab Khan of Tanawal (her sister was married to Nawab Payinda Khan of Amb).
Badshah Sayyid AKBAR SHAH Amir-e Shariyat (qv)
Sayyid Omar Shah
Sayyid Imran Shah
Sayyid Asghar Shah
Sayyid Shah Madaar
Sayyid Shah Mardan, died still young.
Badshah Sayyid AKBAR SHAH Amir-e Shariyat 1849/1857, born 1793, married and had issue. He died 11th May 1857.
Sayyid Mubarak Shah
INTERREGNUM 1857/1915
ABDUL GHAFUR [Khatana Gujar], Akhund of Swat, born 1795/6 in Upper Swat, son of Abdul Wahid of the Safi tribe, married and had issue. He died 1877. Miangul Abdul Hanan, born 1852, married 1stly, a daughter of a Sayyidi family, married 2ndly, a Princess of Chitral, married 3rdly, a lady from Jambil village and had issue. He died 1887.
Miangul Said Badshah Abdul Razzaq, (by the 1st wife), born 1880, married and had issue. He died 28th December 1903.
SON (posthumous), born 1904, died 1905.
Miangul Amir Badshah Abdul Wahid, (by the 2nd wife), born 1884, married 1stly, an unnamed wife (married 2ndly, HH Sir Miangul ABD al-WADUD [BADSHAH SAHIB]), married 2ndly, an unnamed wife (married 2ndly, Miangul Shirin Sahib Abdul Manan). He died sp 1907.
Daughter1, married her cousin, HH Sir Miangul ABD al-WADUD [BADSHAH SAHIB], and had issue. She died 1903/1905.
Daughter2, married her cousin, Miangul Shirin Sahib Abdul Manan (qv)
Daughter3, died about 1975, unmarried.
Miangul Abdul Khaliq, born 1858, married as his only wife, a daughter of Mehtar AMANULMULK II of Chitral, and had issue. He died 1893.
HH Sir Miangul ABD al-WADUD [BADSHAH SAHIB] (qv)
Miangul Shirin Sahib Abdul Manan, born 1888, married 1stly, the 2nd daughter of Miangul Abdul Hanan, married 2ndly, the widow of Miangul Amir Badshah Abdul Wahid, married 3rdly, a daughter of Jamroz Khan and had issue. He died August 1918.
Miangul Bahramand Khan, married 1stly (.....), married 2ndly, a daughter of HH Sir Miangul ABD al-WADUD [BADSHAH SAHIB], and had issue.
Maj. Miangul Bahri Karam (by 1st wife), married a daughter of HH Sir Miangul ABD al-WADUD [BADSHAH SAHIB]
Daughter1, born December 1910, married March 1925, HH Miangul JAHANZEB ABD al-HAQQ (see below), and had issue.
Daughter2, married Miangul Fazal Mabud [Sultan-i-Room] (qv)
Badshah Sayyid ABD al-JABBAR KHAN Hafiz-e-Quran 1915/1917, son of Sayyid Mehmood Shah and grandson of the 1st Akhund of Swat, born c1877/1878, married 1stly, 1907, a daughter of the Nawab of Amb, married 2ndly, 1908, daughter of the Emir of Bukhara.
HH Sir Miangul ABD al-WADUD [BADSHAH SAHIB] 1917/1949 (abdicated) , Wali [cr.1926], K.B.E. [cr.1930], born 1882, married 1stly, a cousin, daughter of Miangul Abdul Hanan, died 1903/1905, marrired 2ndly, the widow of his cousin, Miangul Amir Badshah Abdul Wahid, married 3rdly, daughter of a Sayyidi family, and had issue, 4 sons and 7 daughters. He died 1st October 1971.
Daughter (by 1st wife), died young.
HH Miangul JAHANZEB ABD al-HAQQ (by 2nd wife) (qv)
Miangul Fazal Qadir [Shah-e-Rum] (by 3rd wife), born 1912, died 1929.
Miangul Fazal Mabud [Sultan-e-Rum] (by 3rd wife), born April 1927, married a daughter of Miangul Shirin Sahib Abdul Manan, and had issue.
Princess Farida Sultan-e-Rum, married Khan Bahadur ABDUL KARIM KHAN, Jagirdar of Jhanda, and has issue, 3 children.
Daughter (by 3rd wife), married Miangul Bahramand Khan of Swat (see above).
Daughter (by 3rd wife), married Miangul Bahri Karam Khan of Swat (see above).
HH Miangul JAHANZEB ABD al-HAQQ 1949/1987, born 5th June 1908, Waliahad [cr.1933], C.I.E., LL.D. [cr.1965], Khan-e-Azam of the Baluchistan States Union 1952/1955, state merged into Pakistan in 1969, married March 1925, his cousin, daughter of Miangul Shirin Sahib Abdul Manan, born December 1910, and had issue. He died 14th September 1987.
HH Miangul AURANGZEB (qv)
Miangul Alamzeb, born 1930, married and had issue, 3 sons and 2 daughters.
Miangul Akbarzeb, (BA, Cambridge), married his cousin, Fakhri Aurangzeb (see above).
Miangul Aslamzeb
Miangul Anwarzeb
Miangul Amirzeb, married 1962, Jamila Ayub, daughter of President Muhammed Ayub Khan of Pakistan.
Miangul Ahmedzeb, married and has issue.
Daughter, married her cousin, Miangul Hassan Aurangzeb (see above)
HH Miangul AURANGZEB 1987/- (see above)
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Post by mgorsi on Aug 27, 2008 17:00:01 GMT 5.5
Mazhar and other Gujjars,
This thread has quite useful information. I want to add the following comments:
* I believe wali of Swat family are Gujjars although they have been reluctant to publicly declare it for sometime. That may be changing. My reliable information is that Mian-Gul Aurangzeb publicly attended a Gujjar Braderi gathering hosted by Malik Azam, Near Taxila late last year where he was seated next to ex-Army Chief Gen. Sawar Khan. I think Wali sahib thinks Gujjars are now ok to socialize with.
* My favorite Gujjar from NWFP is late Bostan Khan Khatana, AIG Police, NWFP. He was a great nationalist. He was posted in Mansehra in mid-seventies as SP and whenever he saw Goatmen passing with their herds on the road, he used to stop his jeep, hug them and chat with them.
He was from Takar in Mardan District. He rose from Constable to the rank of AIG. Several of his relatives were students in Pashawar University in early seventies.
* Another great Gujjar from NWFP is Justice (Retd) Sardar Fakhr-e-Alam. He was Chief Justice Peshawar High court which was the only court that ruled against the Gov't case for dissolution of assemblies in Benazir Gov't in 1990. That decision kept him from getting to supreme court. Benazir did not forget his stand and appointed him Chief Election Commissioner when she returned to power in 1993. Although, Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry (another great Gujjar of the day) got universal recognition for his stand, it seems this tradition is not new fro Gujjars.
Sardar Fakhr-e-Alam is from Kot Najibulla in Haripur District. They are also Khatana and one of the biggest landlords in NWFP--their lands comprise of 84 Villages. Despite hailing from highly previldged family, Sardar Fakhr-e-Alam was not shy to help less previledged Gujjars.
Two of his brothers are Retd. Lt/Maj Generals. One of his nephews, Sardar Mushtaq Khan was elected to National Assembly in Feb. 2008 elections. He has previously been Provincial Minister.
* Mansehra district was just as politically challenging for Gujjars as Swat has been described in this thread. Gujjars are about 45% of population in Mansehra and are generally middle class farmers/Goatmen here. There have always been local political activists but nobody could make it to Provincial or National Assembly until 1988 when a young Gujjar, Sardar Mohammad Yousuf rose from District Council Membership to Provincial Assembly despite less than impressive resources. His winning streak continues. He served in National assembly from 1993 to 1990 and is now District Nazim and his son, Sardar Shahjehan Yousuf, is in National assembly since 2003 because of graduation requirement.
I think Swat is moving in a similar direction. Gujjars were busy with their chores for quite sometime and were not paying much attention to politics but I think they are getting tired of others being less than grateful for their votes. I think it will not take them long to get their rightful bragging rights and political power.
More some other time.
Mohammad
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Post by mgorsi on Aug 28, 2008 2:00:55 GMT 5.5
Question for AP Singh
Singh Ji,
I have not been able to figure out the connection between Mianguls and Syyids in one of your posts partly reproduced below. Can you please elaborate.
It seems you are quoting from a book or another document. Can you provide reference to your source.
Another point: Many people think that most of the Arab sounding Gotra's among muslims are really fake. Examples are Syyid, Siddiqui, Qureshi etc. I have heard there is a book around that debunks all this and provides correlation to original Gotra's.
Any clues!
Thanks,
Mohammad Malik
SWAT (Princely State)
AREA: ?? km2 PRIVY PURSE: 750,000Rs ACCESSION: 28th July 1969
STATE: Pakistan (Frontier State) DYNASTY: Safi Pathan RELIGION: Muslim
PRESENT RULER: Capt. (ret'd.) HH Miangul AURANGZEB Akhundzada, Wali Sahib of Swat (1987/-)
born 28th May 1928, married 10th April 1955, Nasim Ayub, daughter of Field Marshal H.E. Muhammed Ayub Khan, President of Pakistan, and has issue.
Ishrat Aurangzeb, married Nawabzada Khwaja Amanullah Askari, son of Nawab Khwaja Hasan Askari of Dhaka, and has issue.
Sahibzadi Ayesha Amina Askari
Fakhri Aurangzeb, married Miangul Akbarzeb (see below)
Miangul Adnan Aurangzeb, married Zainab Ayub, daughter of Gohar Ayub Khan.
Miangul Mahmood Aurangzeb, married Shameera.
Miangul Hassan Aurangzeb, married a daughter of Miangul Ahmedzeb (see below).
PREDECESSORS AND SHORT HISTORY: Founded in 1849. Rulers were......
Sayyid Zaaman Shah, left his home in Takhta Band (Buner) to travel to Delhi, where he was granted lands by the Mughal Emperor, married the daughter of an Afghan Sardar in Chach, and had issue. He died at Pakli in Hazara district.
Sayyid Shah Gul [Shah Jee], married in Gandaf to Sayyid Sher Shah, and had issue.
Sayyid Azam Shah, married the daughter of Ahmad Ali Khan Palaal, niece of Khan Nawab Khan of Tanawal (her sister was married to Nawab Payinda Khan of Amb).
Badshah Sayyid AKBAR SHAH Amir-e Shariyat (qv)
Sayyid Omar Shah
Sayyid Imran Shah
Sayyid Asghar Shah
Sayyid Shah Madaar
Sayyid Shah Mardan, died still young.
Badshah Sayyid AKBAR SHAH Amir-e Shariyat 1849/1857, born 1793, married and had issue. He died 11th May 1857.
Sayyid Mubarak Shah
INTERREGNUM 1857/1915
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Post by AP Singh on Aug 28, 2008 11:51:41 GMT 5.5
Dear Mr. Gorsi,
Please see the following link: There are also other references about Ghafur Sahib, confirming his ancestory to khatana Gujjars.
SWATABDUL GHAFUR [Khatana Gujar], Akhund of Swat, born 1795/6 in Upper Swat, son of Abdul Wahid of the Safi tribe, married and had issue. He died 1877. ...
uqconnect.net/~zzhsoszy/ips/s/swat.html
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