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Post by Dr.Allahrakha Sindhu on Mar 18, 2013 17:13:41 GMT 5.5
Gotras of Indian J&K:
Sagoo, Kataria, Chohan, Bagri, Gehlot, Gehlot, Sood, Maitrik, Awana, Mianay, Kandal, Kangal, Kanglay, Langah, Maharr, Kaisal, Gamti, Baloch(Jareja), Gorr, Kohli or Koli, Dheenda, Bala, Bora, Chechi, Chontra, Chatzah, Gangial, Teerwah, Sehgal, Hakla, Jendar, Charr (Charrik), Paandh, Bhargarr, Parihar(Partihar), Lohar, Sehar, Bokra, Chaauri, Chawarr, Chara, Chaula, Mookar or Mukar, (Mukri), Lor, Laheeloo, Meelu, Noon, Thakar(Thakur or Thekriay), Barkat (Bargat), Bajarr, Chechi, Mahees, Chandela, Phamra, Kharray or Kharay(Khari), Khatana, Kalis, Gorsi, Sontra, Ratlay, Jatrah, Lodhi, Mota, Monan, Topa,Thulaay or Thulay, Rulaitay, sarandana(Saramdana),marrial(Manail) Sahair (Salahria), Toor(Tanwar or Tomar), Baro, Bokan, Baith, Banth, Gaili, Ghaila(Baghila), Bania, Kisana, Bahrwal, Paswal (Poswal, Poswas, Pordar)Phawal, Sohla, Porr(Por), Panwar, Jagal, Jungle, Jatoo, Warrich, Bhakot, Bhind, Kharpar, Khaipar, Tas, Takshik, Shimangi,Siam(Shiam), Sial, Chohar, Dehar, Chokar, Doi, Shrimal, Bhoja, Goglay(Gaglay), Lohsar, Latala, Mohartug, Dor, Sama, Barah, Kachi, Khokhar.
The hindu castes whose caste name is resemble or same to Gujjar subcastes such as Gujral, Parihar, Parmar, Verma, Chandel, Gai, Bora,Charak, Pakhrri, Kohli.
The muslim castes whose caste name is resemble same to Gujjar subcastes such as Batar, Khatan, Son, Noon, Meer, Mahir, Sher Gujri, Topa.
Warrich is a subcaste of Gujjars but in Punjab Warriach are Jats with a different pronunciation who claims their ancestary from Chohans.
Baloch is also a subcaste which is strange because Balochistan is far away from here. It is also same as title but mostly considered as subcastes.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 19, 2013 10:40:36 GMT 5.5
Great Information Dr. Saab. I am really thankful.
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Ashok Harsana
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Post by aps on Mar 6, 2014 18:47:24 GMT 5.5
Gotras of Indian J&K: Sagoo, Kataria, Chohan, Bagri, Gehlot, Gehlot, Sood, Maitrik, Awana, Mianay, Kandal, Kangal, Kanglay, Langah, Maharr, Kaisal, Gamti, Baloch(Jareja), Gorr, Kohli or Koli, Dheenda, Bala, Bora, Chechi, Chontra, Chatzah, Gangial, Teerwah, Sehgal, Hakla, Jendar, Charr (Charrik), Paandh, Bhargarr, Parihar(Partihar), Lohar, Sehar, Bokra, Chaauri, Chawarr, Chara, Chaula, Mookar or Mukar, (Mukri), Lor, Laheeloo, Meelu, Noon, Thakar(Thakur or Thekriay), Barkat (Bargat), Bajarr, Chechi, Mahees, Chandela, Phamra, Kharray or Kharay(Khari), Khatana, Kalis, Gorsi, Sontra, Ratlay, Jatrah, Lodhi, Mota, Monan, Topa,Thulaay or Thulay, Rulaitay, sarandana(Saramdana),marrial(Manail) Sahair (Salahria), Toor(Tanwar or Tomar), Baro, Bokan, Baith, Banth, Gaili, Ghaila(Baghila), Bania, Kisana, Bahrwal, Paswal (Poswal, Poswas, Pordar)Phawal, Sohla, Porr(Por), Panwar, Jagal, Jungle, Jatoo, Warrich, Bhakot, Bhind, Kharpar, Khaipar, Tas, Takshik, Shimangi,Siam(Shiam), Sial, Chohar, Dehar, Chokar, Doi, Shrimal, Bhoja, Goglay(Gaglay), Lohsar, Latala, Mohartug, Dor, Sama, Barah, Kachi, Khokhar. The hindu castes whose caste name is resemble or same to Gujjar subcastes such as Gujral, Parihar, Parmar, Verma, Chandel, Gai, Bora,Charak, Pakhrri, Kohli. The muslim castes whose caste name is resemble same to Gujjar subcastes such as Batar, Khatan, Son, Noon, Meer, Mahir, Sher Gujri, Topa. Warrich is a subcaste of Gujjars but in Punjab Warriach are Jats with a different pronunciation who claims their ancestary from Chohans. Baloch is also a subcaste which is strange because Balochistan is far away from here. It is also same as title but mostly considered as subcastes. Dear Dr. Sindhu, Thank you very much for the kind information provided about the sub-clans of Gurjjars. I would request you, if possible, to provide some more information about Maitrak and Mookar (Mukar or Mukri) sub-clans.. These were ruling dynasties of present day North India (Kannauj) and present day Indian Gujarat (Vallabhi) just after 320AD which is known as Gupta as well as Vallabhi era in Indian history. This era was started after exterminating the tyrannical Guptas of the North and the Sakas of South India by Vikaramditya III, also known as Sri-Harsa, who was a Gurjjar of Parmar sub-clan. The famous Srimant Dadda Gurjjar-I was his companion to establish the direct rule of Gurjjars in present day India. During the empire of Gurjjar Kushans, the present day India was ruled indirectly through feudatories like the Guptas and the Sakas. Just about 320AD, the Maitaks were appointed as rulers of Dakshinapatha ( Southern route) and Maukharis were appointed a rulers of Uttarapatha ( Northern route) by Dadda Gurjjar I and Sri Harsa to rule these regions of their empire directly.. I would like to know about their villages and some popular personalities of these Gujjar sub-clans. Thanks and regards. AP Singh |
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 7, 2014 14:31:44 GMT 5.5
Kuvalayamala(700Saka- 778AD), the Jain Account of Toramana tells, He is Soverign of Uttarapatha and his guru was Hari Gupta. The most extensive account is by Hiuen Tsang. Huns led by Mihirkula as per Hiuen Tsang are dated some centuries before 633AD, when he visited Sakala. Watters points out Chinese agree with this view. Both Toramana and Mihirkuala are Staunch saivites. The end of Gupta empire is predicted on Huns, we don't know whether these two are Huns or Kushana chiefs. The territories identified by Huns and the two kings also differs. Beal Identifies areas Tokharistan, Kabulistan and Zabulistna and Chavannes adds according to chinese history (by Sung-Yun), the only Indian Countries under Huns are Gandhara and Chitral. But Toramana and Mihirkula are in a entirely different plane. I dont consider Toramana , Mihirkula and Yashodharman relevant here as Mukharis , Yashodharman, Malwa Guptas and Imperial Guptas ruling whole of North India invisible to one another. controversialhistory.blogspot.in/search/label/Maukhari#.UxmI8c6rjxU |
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Post by aps on Mar 7, 2014 15:49:40 GMT 5.5
Kuvalayamala(700Saka- 778AD), the Jain Account of Toramana tells, He is Soverign of Uttarapatha and his guru was Hari Gupta. Huns led by Mihirkula as per Hiuen Tsang are dated some centuries before 633AD, when he visited Sakala. Watters points out Chinese agree with this view. Both Toramana and Mihirkuala are Staunch saivites. The end of Gupta empire is predicted on Huns, we don't know whether these two are Huns or Kushana chiefs. I dont consider Toramana , Mihirkula and Yashodharman relevant here as Mukharis , Yashodharman, Malwa Guptas and Imperial Guptas ruling whole of North India invisible to one another. controversialhistory.blogspot.in/search/label/Maukhari#.UxmI8c6rjxUThere was no Gupta Empire after 320AD. Toraman and Mihirkul are no where mentioned as Huns in original records. Just to glorify the Guptas they were made as Huns by the historians of the slavery period of our country. As per the Chinese annals Mihir Kul and Toraman both were Gurjjars and as per my invetigations in to history both of them were of Ghorsi ( Ghor-Shahi) subclan. Huns province was was one of the region ruled by them. The fight between Mihirkula and Yashodharman was an internal fights between two Gujjar sub groups. Yashodharman is clearly mentioned as a Gujjar emperor in Chinese annals. The Gurjjars have two sub-clans and Hun as well as Barbara (Babara) and that signify that the regions named as Hun province and Barbara province were ruled by the Gujjars and does not signify any ethnical relationship between the rulers and the local population ruled by them.. |
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 10, 2014 10:35:47 GMT 5.5
Dear APS ji,
Maukhris could have also been Gurjars as the kingdom ruled by them (Saharanpur) was earlier ruled by Yashodharman of malwa. Though there is no clear link but there is also no record of any conflict towards the transfer of ruling dynasty after Yashodharman (who was also called Yasovarman). There was one maukhri king named Yasovarman, the similarity in the names also implies some kind of relationship as a person from another successive dynasty may take the tile of his predecessor ruler but would never take the first name.
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Post by aps on Mar 10, 2014 12:39:04 GMT 5.5
Dear Ashok,
Yashodharman ruled about 200 years before the Yashovarman of Kannauj.
Yashovarman must be the descendent of Ananatvarman, Sarvavarman of Maukhari dynasty.The father of Harshvardhan of Vaishya (Bania) community of Thanesar was a minister to this ruling dynasty. Jai shri, sister of Harshvardahan was married to Grahvarman, the Muakhari ruler of Kannauj.
Initially Harshvardhan went to Kannuj to help his widowed sister but later asserted his claim on the throne.
In Indian history, Dadda Gujjar-I is wrongly asserted to be as a contemporary of this Harshavadhan of Kannauj who was a ruler of a comparatively of a very small territory.
Dadda Gujjars was associated with Sri Harsha or Vikrmaditya III, a Gurjar Kushana Emperor, the founder of the era of 320AD known as Gupta and Vallabhi era, after exterminating the tyrannical rule of Guptas and Shakas, who were ruling as feudatories of Gurjara Kushans but when Kushans were busy a suppressing rebellion in Parasika (present day Iran), these feudatory in this part of the Kushan Empire asserted independence.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 11, 2014 13:00:10 GMT 5.5
Dear Bhaisahab,
Nice to hear from you after a long time.
I would like to assert that The founder of Maukhri Dynasty "Isanavarman" and "Yashodharma" who was called Gurjar Narpati in the Mandsor pillar inscription may be the same person. Though Yashodharman was from Aulikara dynasty but this aulikara and Maukhris might had been the names of titles rather than Dynasties.
The founder of the Royal house of Aulikaras was said to be one "Senapati". This senapati was a Commander in chief of Gupta army and later awarded a kingdom of his own to rule for his loyalty. It can not be a mere coincidence that the founder of Vallabhi Dynasty was also Senapti and he was contemporary to the "Aulikara Senapati". All of the Aulikara Rulers' ended with -Varman or vardhan. The same nomenclature practice was followed by the Maukhris.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 11, 2014 14:26:07 GMT 5.5
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Mar 11, 2014 15:01:34 GMT 5.5
According to the above information, Dadda was contemporary to Aulikaras and was Chief commander in their army. Aulikaras were ally (and not Feudatory) to Later Guptas (Krishn Guptas of Magadha). The descendents of Dadda (Dattabhatta) named Dadda-2 obtained great glory by saving Vallabhi lord. Dadda-3 (most probably claimed independence after the fall of aulikaras and established rule at Nandol or Nandipur) wrested Ballabhi from Maitrikas. Maitrikas were related to Aulikars, Pratihars (Dadda's lineage) and Chap Gurjars (Chavdas) of Bhinmal. We have a lot of evidence to show that maitrikas were gurjars, so were aulikars (Gurjar narpati pillar inscription at Mandsor). Pratihars were obliviously Gurjars. All this shows that Gurjars were ruling all over India after the fall of Imperial Guptas. More about it at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gujarat#Gurjar_Clans |
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