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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 16, 2015 14:52:30 GMT 5.5
 In this attachment it is clearly stated that the Gutpa Ruler's name ends with "Ditya" while the one who is his Samanta (Feudatory) was called with a name ending with Datta or Dadda. You can clearly read the Title MahaPratihara at the 3rd and 4th Row. This belongs to the same time period (6th Century AD). Furthermore, this copper plate belongs to Faridapur, a District in Bangladesh which proves the existence of Later (or eastern Guptas) in as late as 6th Century AD. From the above, it may also be asserted that Pratihar was a name of post rather than being a caste of community. The same is implied by the Mohipur Copper plate of Pala King Gopala where his officers were called Rajput and Mahapratihars. It is used here to re-establish the facts given in my earlier posts. |
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Post by aps on Feb 17, 2015 5:52:48 GMT 5.5
Dear Ashok,
If you believe that the history written by these barking slave dogs of their British masters, as ture, where is the need for further research and to write it again?
Also please don't become a tool in the hands of these barking dogs whose whole purpose is to spread the mis-information on inferences arrived based on false grounds. Read the original inscription in Epigraphica Indica including the comments made by various epigraphists.
Please note the following.
1. The word for Gurjjar gotra is Pratiharya and not Pratihar. Read the Sanskrit dictionary and find out the difference yourself or read all my posts carefully.
2. Dadda was our great ancestor and his seal clearly inscribed as "Srimant Dadda" and not Samant Dadda. Please note again that the Samants were not allowed to have seals. This was a fraud to call Srimant Dadda as Samant Dadda.
3. No where Yashodharman is referred to as the king of Mandsor. The Aulikara chief of Mandsor would have been one of his feudatory (Samant) ruler.
4. Sri Vikramaditya-III was also named Sri-Harsa, a Gurjjar of Parmar Gotra, who was the real founder of Gupta Era and Vallabhi Era of 320 AD after exterminating ttyrannical Guptas in the north and Shakas is the south and establishing the direct rule of Gurjaras. Dadda -I was most probably the real brother of Sri-Harsa or Vikramaditya-III. Till that time the Girjjar Kushans ruled India through their Gupta and Shakas feudatories, some od them like Samudra Gupta and Rudra Daman started enjoying a fairly good amount autonomy.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 17, 2015 9:59:22 GMT 5.5
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Post by aps on Feb 17, 2015 12:12:07 GMT 5.5
I have mentioned all the facts, leave aside assertions, assumptions or theory or assumptions. However I am not here to promote myself or to promote your forum but to reveal the truth. Please be specific and choose only one question which you feel as a theory. Please note that 1. Srimant is not Samant. The Samant is a vassal ruler and can not be authorised to have seal of his own by his overlord. Dadda Gurjjar was a sovereign ruler and thus had a seal of his own.
2. Dadda Gurjjar belonged to 4th. Century. You can see the inscriptions of his descendants to confirm the dates which are mentioned in Saka era. He was placed in 7th. Century by manipulations to create space to fabricate the history of Guptas.
3. You may read Al- Biruni for specific eras and I can not spoon feed the people.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 17, 2015 12:51:11 GMT 5.5
Dear bhaisahab, Its not about being famous with me either. We are here to ascertain true facts which are shrouded in mystery for so long that no one seems to arrive at a certain origin of Gurjars. If you think these facts can be revealed without sharing the original source (such as Inscriptions and scholarly texts) then its your wish. But IMO, everything written about the origin of Gurjars should be shared here to come to a conclusion and people should not beating about the bush forever. Following is the full text of stone pillar inscription at Basanthgarh   It is clearly written here that in 625 AD, Rajila the son of Vajrabhatta protected Arbuda under the lordship of Varmalata, The king of Shrimal (Bhinmal). This Varmalata was a Chap Gurjar who was also called Vyaghramukha in some of his inscriptions. This is also believed that the Gurjars who ruled Anhilwada, Malwa, Lata, Saurashtra, Avanti, Ujjain, Nandol etc. were offshoots of the Chapa clan of Bhinmal. In 13th Line, the lineage of Rajjila is written as follows: Rajjila, Vakat (Vajrabhat), Chandrak, Pratihar-Botak, Rajasthaniya-Aditya-Bhatt etc.... Here the word Rajasthaniya implies a military position means Viceroy and Rajashtaniya aaditya bhatt means literally the pride of all Viceroys.. This Rajjla, mentioned in this text was elder brother of Dadda and descendent of the founder of Pratihara Dynasty, which has to be none other than Harishchandra who Ruled near Mandore under the lordship of Bhinmal's Maharaja. But this is also evident that there were more than one Pratihar families ruling at the same time but all under the lordship of the Family ruling Bhinmal. However, these Pratihars later asserted independence and established their own kingdom in Medantaka (merta), but not until the second half of 7th century (After the fall of Harsha): [1] DADDA - 1 [ 575 a.d ][2] VEETRAG [3] JAYBHATT - 1 [4] DADDA - 2 [630 a.d] JAYBHATT - 2 [6] DADDA - 3 ' bahusahay '[7] JAYBHATT - 3 [8] AHIROL [9] JAYBHATT - 4 and then NAGBHATTA or Nagavlok was ascribed to the throne in around 750 a.d archive.indianexpress.com/news/evidence-of-gurjar-pratihar-dynastys-rule-f/457199/Please read carefully and do not commit the same mistake that other historians did.... (arriving at a conclusion without even looking at all the facts honestly, because there are 1000 books on Gurjar history but nobody seems to be reading them as they all speak of different theories "Apni Dapli Apna Raag). Regards |
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Post by aps on Feb 17, 2015 15:12:24 GMT 5.5
Dear bhaisahab, However, these Pratihars later asserted independence and established their own kingdom in Medantaka (merta), but not until the second half of 7th century (After the fall of Harsha): [1] DADDA - 1 [ 575 a.d ][2] VEETRAG [3] JAYBHATT - 1 [4] DADDA - 2 [630 a.d] JAYBHATT - 2 [6] DADDA - 3 ' bahusahay '[7] JAYBHATT - 3 [8] AHIROL [9] JAYBHATT - 4 and then NAGBHATTA or Nagavlok was ascribed to the throne in around 750 a.d Regards 1 . Show me date you have taken as 575AD of Dadda-I. Please show the original records and not the secondary information.
2.Copy of your inscription I am not able to read. However you can quote the no. of Indian Antiquary or Epigraphia Indica and page number. I have copies of all of them.
3. Please stick only to this point till it is resolved and don't raise the next issue and I would tell you how the historical information was abused, manipulated to fabricate the history of others. All the above inscriptions I have read and analysed again and again and these belong to 4th. century AD. I have already resolved this issue in my research. Nagabhatta-I does not belong to this line of inscriptions. |
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Post by aps on Feb 17, 2015 16:34:01 GMT 5.5
Dear Ashok, Please read one of my post under the thread Gujjar inscription and download the book from the following link. You will find at page 247 that Dadda Gurajjar belonged to 4th. Century.
1. Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain & ...
books.google.co.in/books?id=8BxDAQAAMAAJ
1865 - Read - More editions
... in the royal race of Gurajjara;l but these words admit also of translation, ' There was a boundless ocean named Gurajjara,' ... the Gurjjara ocean. , The royal family is compared to the ocean, and such qualities as stkairyya, stability; gdmb/ziryya, ...
2. The following link given by you was posted by me only under the same thread and consider that I have already noticed the views of that writer in my research.
archive.indianexpress.com/news/evidence-of-gurjar-pratihar-dynastys-rule
I hope that the issue of dates get resolved for ever now and wish that I would not be forced again to take the tuition classes in History which was not really my subject of study as I have mastered in Engineering and also in Management and have my professional experience also in these domains only.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Feb 17, 2015 17:46:34 GMT 5.5
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Post by aps on Feb 17, 2015 19:28:19 GMT 5.5
Please note that the inscription is not edited by Bhandarkar but by Dr. Dowson.
Kindly treat the issue as serious and don't misquote the names.
The spelling of Chedi is different than Saka and don't underestimate that I can not read English. Unfortunately this inscription does not mention the Era but I have copies of the other four inscriptions where date is specifically mentioned in Saka Era.
I have already gone through in detail in to the information provided by you. I have read all those essays and found out how the information was manipulated by some people to place the Dadda in 6th. century. I have also seen all records edited by Prof Mirasi who placed these Gurjjar records in Chedi Era. The trick adopted by Prof Mirasi was that he went completely blind to the inscriptions where date with specific era was mentioned and only taken the records where Era is not specifically mentioned.
Please note that date is recorded in Saka Era and Chedi era is not even recognised by any Gurjjar inscription.
I have given stress on my profession that I am an Engineer and my profession does not allow to errors like mistaking a Saka Era to Chedi Era.
Later the great barking dog, RC Mazumdar went a great lenghth to fabricate all kind of manipulations. You may read Department of letter Volume X to read his essays about how Harishchanndra Brahmin was made ancestors of Gujjars? Harishchandra was a Bhat ( Bard) of Pratihars as per his own records and all the Bhats are known by the name of their overlord. Mazumdar even read Bhandi as Bhatti is his shameless attempt of manipulation to fabricate his essays. Even a class I student would not read Bhandi and Bhatti but RD Mazumdar was a Ph.D and still could not read it right. If you apply his logic reversly, for example on Arjuna, a Mahabharat hero, who is known as a Maharathi, the Maharathi of Sanskrit would become as Maharatti of Prakrit and Arjun would become Maharandi, which is an abuse.
This is my last post in this regard as I would not like to convert a serious issue like this in to a casual Chat.
Moreover I would like to quit the membership of this forum and finding out the procedure about how to quit it as it is taking too much of my time and I am not able to concentrate on my main object.
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Post by aps on Feb 17, 2015 21:27:12 GMT 5.5
To kill the issue please find the original information on Page 242 of Indian Antiquary of 1878 where in Elao plate of Dadda II is written by Reva, the high minister of piece and War and dated clearly in words specifically the year 417 of Saka Era. The inscriptions edited by Dr. Dowson were also written by Reva and hence can not be placed in Chedi Era.
The expression in original are for Era is engraved as Saka-nripakal-atita ( After exterminations of Saka rulers by Gujjar Kushans and that era begun at AD 78)and this could not be mistaken by anybody as Chedi Era.
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