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Post by Ashok Harsana on Dec 17, 2008 11:07:54 GMT 5.5
Exactly,
In delhi we are only 7 Lac in numbers (with approx 70 Gujar villages and many thousands settled in cities and towns). It means we are less than 4% of the total population of delhi and still we manage to win 10% (7 out of 70) seats in Legislative assembely. It is also to be noted that Gujjars can win three more seats if these seats were not reserved..
In Rajasthan, where we have comparatively larger population of approximately 45 lacs (8% of total population that is 5.5 crores). This share in population gives a rough idea of the total MLA seats to be won by gujjar. They should win at least 16 to 20 MLA seats but they are winning at 6 to 7 seats.
That means either we are stronger in Delhi or we are in worst situation in Rajasthan. OR is it due to the reservation for SC/ST?
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 17, 2008 13:34:04 GMT 5.5
In Rajasthan the daughter of Shoekeepers in the times of Peshwas turned Maharani paid for her incompetence for allowing the state police to kill Gujjar agitators ruthlessly and allow the police firing on Left-backed farmers agitating for water.
Gujjars paid heavy price by getting around 100 people of the community killed by the state police and now it should be for the Congress Government which reaped the rich dividents from the Gujjar agitaion to do justice with thier demands.
The condition of Gujjars in certain pockets of Rajasthan is very bad and it is only the glorious Imperial past of their clan which gives them some pride feeling and keep their morale high otherwise financially and educationally they are almost at the bottom most level.
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Post by Amit Bhati on Dec 17, 2008 17:39:52 GMT 5.5
Gurjars are a divided community thats the reason why there is not a single minister in Delhi and Haryana
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Post by Satyendra Singh on Dec 17, 2008 21:02:00 GMT 5.5
Money plays a vital role in making the atmosphere in favour of any particular candidate during elections. Sometimes all the political parties give tickets to Gujars from a particular place and as a result at few places due to division of votes, the candidate of another community wins the election. In Rajasthan, there are very limited persons belonging to Gujar community who are educated, have social standing and are financially strong. Even the few leaders which the community has in Rajasthan are not liked by the community itself because they neither have any vision for the society nor they have contributed to the community in any way. That is why I term them as “Satta ke Dalal”. The persons like Rajesh Pilot, Atar Singh Bhadana, Rajendra Singh Vidhuri who were not originally from Rajasthan won elections because of above mentioned reasons whereas the local leaders fail. In absence of any “karishmatic” character the local leaders fail to attract the votes of other communities as well. Even the major political parties like Congress / BJP give very limited tickets to Gujars in view of their population size i.e. approx 35-40 lakhs (due to Brahminical / samantwadi attitude). Besides Gujars are scattered in 14-15 districts in Rajasthan and not so concentrated in a particular area as “Meenas & Jats”. The Gujars in Rajasthan also lack political maturity and shrewdness. They also do not have the quality of political blackmailing and do not know how to take credit and cash any particular situation.
However in spite of all these odds, in the last parliamentary elections Gujars fought three seats (Bharatpur, Dausa and Jhalawar) for the first time out of 25 seats on Congress ticket. Out of 143 General assembly seats (total seats 200, 57 reserved for SC/ST) on at least 20 seats they are in very good position. Besides, this time their traditional seats like Bayana (Bharatpur), Ladpura(Kota) and Jamwa-Ramgarh(Jaipur) have been reserved for SC/ST. In addition to it, they play a major role in deciding the result of seats like : Nathwara, Mavli, Kumbal- Garh(in Udaipur division), Todabhim, Nadwai, Weir, Kaman (in Bharatpur division), Jhalrapatan, Malpura, Masuda (in Ajmer division).
The future of communities like Gujars in my opinion is in BSP. The permanent vote bank of Mayavati is transferable and if the same is added with that of Gujars in Nothern India, we may win good number of assembly and parliament seats. I pray to God Gujars will show this political maturity in the comming elections.
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 18, 2008 14:15:52 GMT 5.5
I think Mr. Prahlad Gunjal is on the right track.
The Gujjars and other similar communities who are at disadvantage today due to sufferings during the slavery period of the country should form a regional party rather than joining the National parties. The disadvantage with joining the national parties (without forming a regional party) like Congress or BJP is that after getting the majority they forget the people who supported them and you can not do anything. In case of regional party you can always withdraw support in case they are back tracking from the promises made during the elections.
For example in Delhi Congress has 5 Gujjar MLAs ( out of 43) but not a single minister is made from the rural background. After winning the Election democratically it becomes a one man show to select the team and no where democracy comes in to picture.
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Post by Rohit on Dec 19, 2008 16:32:55 GMT 5.5
What could be the reasons that Congress did not have even a single Gujjar Minister in Delhi, Haryana and Rajasthan Goverment?
Is it because they are easily available to them?
In centre also Sachin Pilot was ignored during last expansion the cabinet.
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Post by Satyendra Singh on Dec 19, 2008 22:05:37 GMT 5.5
The answer of the issue raised by Mr. Rohit can easily be found in my earlier submissions made on this forum. First of all no community should give the message that they are ‘bondage vote banks’ of any particular political party because once they do this mistake they loss their importance. For example Muslims and Dalits were perceived as permanent vote banks of Congress for a long time and during this phase Congress neither thought seriously about their progress nor gave them their due share in the socio-economic & political system. Gujars did the same mistake particularly from 1980 onwards when Rajesh Pilot won the election from Bharatpur on a Congress ticket and later he was made a minister at Centre. Since Rajesh Pilot [who reached up to State Minister level (not of cabinet rank)only in his entire career] was the first and last minister at Central level from Gujar community , knowingly or un-knowingly from Kashmir to Rajasthan Gujar gave the message that if “Pilot” visits any area having Gujar population during elections, most of them will vote for Congress. Congress party is still misusing the affection shown by the community to the Pilot family. When Muslims and Dalits switched their loyalty to Mulayam Singh and Mayavati respectively, Congress started large scale exercises to retain its vote bank and as a result we see Muslim / Dalit spoke persons, ministers, chief Justice, Chief Minister, Governors …….and so on.
In Rajasthan the first MP elected from Gujar community was Nathu Singh in 1977 from BJP before that Congress never gave a single ticket to any Gujar in 33 years. The first and last Rajya Sabha MP elected from Rajasthan was Shivcharan Singh from BJP whereas Congress has not made a single Rajya Sabha MP from Gujar community of Rajasthan in 60 years. In 60 years for the first time, Vasundhara Raje nominated a Gujar as member of state public service commission.( I want to make it very clear that I am not a supporter of BJP).The idea behind giving these examples is if any individual or community has bargaining power and nuisance value , then only you will be taken seriously. On the other hand if you are following any “God Father” like sheep you will loss even your identity?
In short, Gujars should learn the art of political blackmailing, follow different voting pattern as per their community interests at different times, cash any political situation and earn credit for win or loss of any political party. If any political party does not give them their due share, then in the next election they should hard bargain for votes and even must follow negative voting to defeat that party.
After “Reservation Agitation” in Rajasthan, some of the “satta ke dalal” gave unconditional support to Congress because Gujars were angry over police firing in general. Do you hope in such a situation Congress would not have the impression that Gujars do not have any alternative and accordingly they will always vote for it…….?
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Post by AP Singh on Dec 20, 2008 13:30:27 GMT 5.5
I think Congress has exploited the situation and further want to maximise the gains by expanding a Gujjar- Meena divide created in Rajasthan by Vasundhara Raje Government. That is the reason that in a council of ministers which which is purely designed on caste lines not a single Gujjar in made minister whereas it is represented by three Jats, two Brahmins, two Malis, one Rajput one Muslim.
Now I think the third front on which Mr. Gunjal is working seems to be the right solution. In that case a last minute pre-poll arrangement is possible with either BJP or BSP on the lines of like INLD in Haryana or Akali Dal in Punjab. Both these parties have their own dedicated vote banks and combination can be mutually benefitial. In that case the support of Gujjar community in reserved constituencies to other candidates will be helpful to these parties where as the Gujjar community can ask for more number of seats in unreserved constituencies.
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Post by Rohit on Dec 20, 2008 14:40:47 GMT 5.5
See the two news article below.
The Congress and Gehlot could not have made the Sarkar in Rajasthan, have the 100s of people were not killed in police firing during BJP regime.
He made three Jat ministers Jats would have otherwise made his life difficult to run the Government. Probably he is not expecting the same from Gujjars.
Another jolt for Gujjars
Times of India, India - JAIPUR: Having failed to make their mark in the assembly polls, it was a second blow of sorts for the vast Gujjar community in the state with not even one ...
Gujjars might have made the difference
Times of India, India - 8 Dec 2008
JAIPUR: The Gujjar revenge on the ruling BJP might have just been capitalised by the community. For, though the BJP did manage to gain some seats in the ...
Rajasthan: Gujjar backlash takes its toll Times of India
all 2 news articles »
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Post by Satyendra Singh on Mar 14, 2009 20:55:59 GMT 5.5
In 2004 general elections, Gujars won three parliament seats i.e. Dausa (Rajasthan), Faridabaad (Hariyana) and Gwaliar (MP). All the three belonged to Congress Party. This time, in Rajasthan alone the Gujars are in a strong position at Bhilwara, Jaipur (rural) and Tonk-Sawai-madhopur .Their two strong holds i.e. Bharatpur and Dholpur-Karauli seats have been reserved for SCs. But the crucial issue always is how many tickets they are given by the two national parties i.e. Congress and BJP. If they are not given proper representation by these parties, the Gujars should vote for the Gujar candidate whether he is from BSP/ SP …..or even “independent”. The prosperous Gujars of Delhi/ Haryana/ UP (like Sh. Sukhbir Singh Jaunpuriya) may explore their chance from Rajasthan even if they are denied tickets by Congress/BJP. I also wish a nation wide campaign/ awareness programme from the well to do Gujars of Delhi who can direct the community for intelligent as well as tactical voting in the election 2009.
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