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Post by AP Singh on Jul 5, 2008 15:26:12 GMT 5.5
Gorse gotra of Gujjars is named after Ghor Singh and the area ruled him was called as Gor. Gor was the region near present Ajmer and the other rulers probably from the area were the Poshwals Chechis etc.
The Gors are found among the Brahmins also but their gotras are different like Bhardwaj etc.
During the expansion of Gujjar Empire the Chauhans played important role to defeat the forces of Palas on behalf of Gujjar Pratihar Emperors ( See the inscription of Vigrah raj Chauhan).
Thus the complete Bengal became the part of Gujjar Empire and it was given to Gor brahmins to rule becuase there was no threat from that side. These Gaur Brahmins settled at Lakhnauti ( named after Laxman as the Gujjar Pratihars are called as the descendent of him). Also other 9th. cetury records confims that Gujjar Pratihar Emperors given lands to Brahmins of bhardwaj Gotra.
These Bengali Brahmins in the Nasal index also stands just below the Gujjar warriors but much above than other brahmins proves that they are of aryan race. Mnay of these these Brahmins rulers of Bengal also were converted to Islam after the Gujjars were defeated due infighting among their various clans for supremacy. Later these Brahmins were again converted to Hinduism but lost their original gotras and instaed took the gotras like Mukhejee, Chatterji etc.
One may read the influence of Gojri language on the script of Bangla language further to reach to the truth.
That is the reasonGor, Gorse ( Godse) gotra is found among brahmins also and Nathu Ram Godse was of this brahmin gotra.
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Post by Gorsi Shahzada on Jul 9, 2008 23:17:32 GMT 5.5
Dear A.P.Singh, Thanks again for your replies.First time Iread something about Gorsi. In tradiyions Gujjar says no snake neer bites to a Gorsi because they are both brothers.When Karishna's father took him to mathura from Kans jail at that time which snake covered them in rain was a Gorsi.There are two kind of Gorsi one simple Gorsi and the other one Biskol or viskol Gorsi.I not know the difference but some one says Gorsi from both mother and father side is called Biskol Gorsi.There women never comes infont of a snake like their fatherinlaws.Our traditins strongly says Ram and specially about Karisna that he was a Gujjar.It does not matter he belongs to Yadav subcaste not only Yadav.Actually not much written about Gorsi even in Gujjar history books.Is there some thing written in istitutions history syllabus.In pakistan educated persons saya that a lot research is going on history in India.If it is right than can we hope that one day we will get our historical right and status.
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Jul 10, 2008 11:59:06 GMT 5.5
Hi brothers,
There was a famous tradition (saying) in ancient punjab (pak) in around 2nd century BC (2200 years back), Dhai gharan gujra ke ek chechi, ek gorsi te adha Barkat.
It means Gujjars had a small popultion, in that partiular area where this saying originated, and that population comprised of only Chechi, Gorsi and barkat (barkat being called half because they were considered to be born from a non gujjar mother, or might have been a bit less powerful clan).
So Chechi being the main Gotra (called Yuchi by chinese) is the origin of all Gurjar Gotras. A few colonial historians confused the history by calling chechi and Gorsi as the subclan of chauhans.
Chechi is found almost in every corner of this world, you can simply google this word Chechi or chichi and there will be numerous results displaying.
So, the main Gujjar Gotra chechi was the first gotra and all other gotras derived form this gotra.
Other very old Gujjar gotras are Khatana, Kasana or Kushana, Gorsi, Barkat, Tok, Nagar, Poswal, Khokhar, Janjua, Johiya, Ambate. These Gotras could be found in the BC periods.
After that , in the AD period other prominent Gujjar gotras were
Chapas (Chalukya, Solanki, chawra, Chhabri, Chhabra, Chapra, Chaprana, Maitriks and even parmar are the offshoots of this most celebrated Gujjar gotra)
Chauhan, Tomars, Huns, Guhils, Pratihars, Ranas, Bhati and lots of Gujjar gotra with a "Ana" suffix like Awana, Bhadana, Chaprana etc etc. were the others to follow.
So if we talk particularly about Ghorsi Clan
then the origin of this name was from a word called "Ghursvar" means a horse rider. Gujjars have always been cavaliers. They were always famous for their horse riding skills. Becuase of their numerous population in Afghnistan area Afghanistan was named so (Ashwa-Gan-Sthan or Land of Horse people).
Gorsi brother in response to your doubts where you wrote snakes and Gorsis are brothers:
In olden days people were either living in kabilas ot in towns. The people who lived in towns were always ruled by some king or his feudatories (monarchy), But the people lived in kabilas and groups were not ruled by anyone. They were almost living in a democracy. Those people used to worship different Gods and most of them worshipped Hills, Sun, Moon, Animals and Birds and were named after the God they worshipped. For exapmle who woshipped Sun were called Suryavanshi or saurvanshi. Similairly group which worshipped cow were called govanshi. Thats why in ancient times we could find many Nags (snake people, or who worshipped snakes), Garuds, Beers, Boars, Sinhlis, Vanars living among normal human beings. They were mentioned in almost every ancient book.
I u want a better expamle you can see the cricket teams today, we are known as tigers, australians as Kangaroos, Newzeas are called kiwis and so on.
Like this the most celebrated kshatriya groups or races were
Suryavamshi (solar clan), Chandravanshi (Lunar clan), Agnivamshi (Added very late to this list), Govanshi, Yaduvanshi (not present day yadavs), Somvanshi and Naagvanshi.
Other Vanshas or Races ceased to exit till the present time.
So the Gorsis must have been people worhipping snakes and were inclued in Nagas (most of the people living the indus valley belonged to naga race. Like Takshakas who were later known as Takk, Takka, Takshaa, Tak, Taak, Tank, Tonks, Tonkars, Tongars.
Ambata Gujjar clan was also from this Nagvansha and its also said about them "that they can not be biten by a snake"
any further questions?
Regards
Ashok "Harsana "
Derived from Harsu Rana or King Harsu (Harishchandra) of Jaisalmer
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Post by Gosi Shahzada on Jul 12, 2008 23:22:12 GMT 5.5
Dear Ashok &A.P.Singh, Thanks to both of you for replies.The saying in Punjab was like that Doodhoo Gorsi kasoo Kisana sai Barkat.Gor+sinh short is Gorsi as I heard.Why nothing is written about Gorsi's even in Gujjar history books?An old Gujjar told me that Raja Porus was a Gorsi. Inot know much about it.Was he really a Gujjar?How can we proove he was a Gujjar?Is there any historical reference of any history book or any kind of proof?Traditionaly Raja Risalu and Jai Pal of Punjab was also Gujjars according to the sayings of our incestors but please first of tell us every thing you know about Raja Porus.(may be Panwar).
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Jul 16, 2008 14:10:29 GMT 5.5
Hi Gorsi brother,
You are correct regarding the saying, it was actually 'Gorsi, Kasana and barkat.' I somehwere heard that Kushan were called yuchis and were most probably the parent stock (chehci) for all other gujar tribes.
Porus was a gujjar thats why we have Porswal gotra. Isn't it ?
Though Alexnaders march to india was a very much described topic but his enemies were least described. Porus was a king with great army and kingdom as compared to Alexander, but he was discussed barely.
It is also written in many books that when he came to india he was encountered by the original gujjar inhabitiant of the area. Similar thing happened in 15th cenuty AD with Babar. Actually Alexnader fought out the malwis and Khokhar, janjuas etc. alongwith the great Porush (Paurush "related to masculine power). So it is very tough to say which of these were called gujjars as we have all of these tribes in Gujars i.e. malvis (Mavai), Janjua, Khokhar etc.
Jai pal (Mor) Khatana and Raja Risalu were undoubtedly gujjars, we can easily find that in history with a little effort.
Regards
Ashok Harsana
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Post by GORSI SHAHZADA on Jul 25, 2008 23:07:01 GMT 5.5
Mr.A.P.Singh, I am still waiting your reply about punjabi Gujjar heros JAI PAL,RAJA RISALU and RAJA PORUS . I want to write about them .Please write about them first of all about raja porus and afterward about others and also write the contribution Punjabi Gujjars in punjab history or in any way.Write also with proof and as muchj as you can and also read my upwritten questions.Same request is to Ashok Harsana.
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Post by guest on Jul 29, 2008 16:12:36 GMT 5.5
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Post by SPPoswaal on Aug 2, 2008 10:20:53 GMT 5.5
Ashok and A.P. ji who are Poswal Gurjars have you any information pls give detail
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Post by Amit Chokkar on Aug 6, 2008 9:50:59 GMT 5.5
Who are chokkar and what is their history
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Post by Ashok Harsana on Aug 9, 2008 8:42:25 GMT 5.5
Hi Brothers,
Poswal or porswal are the progenies of the famous Indian King Porus, As I told earlier, Porus was a much celebrated and powerful king (much much more powerful than Alexander) of Gujjars. I will post an original letter written to Porus by Alexander (which is very cleary authenticated by reliable historians).
His actual surname is unknown but he most probabaly was a Khattan or Gorsi.
So this Gotra is basically an offshoot of one of the root clans of Gujjars (Chechi, Gorsi, Khatana, Kushana, Bergat).
Chhokars are clearly the offshoot of Khokhars/Gakhars.
Khokhars were first noticed in western punjab with Awans, Malvis, Janjuas and Bhatis.
So it can be said they were one of the the second stage clans, that means they were directly descended from the five chief gujjar clans (Chechi, Gorsi, Khatana, Kushana, Bergat).
The history of Khokhars is available everywhere and they are found in jats and arains as well. They were one of the most powerful fighters of the western india and they Killed Mohd. Ghori and proved to be the biggest resistence to all the invaders including arabs, perisans and Moghals.
AP Singh ji can validate the facts.
Regards
Ashok Harsana
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