Should Gurjars have their own Khap-Panchayats?

[Deepak Dedha]

Khap Panchayats of Jaats should be criticised for their judgements to kill their community members in the name of honour killing. Its a moral duty of panchayats and elderly people to aware their people whats right and wrong.
Our people should also be mature enough to understand the importance of "gotras".

Like Jaats, we Gurjars also follow the same gotra avoidance wherein we can't marry in our own gotra so as in mother's gotra.

Jaat politicians are trying their best to find a solution within the Hindu Law so that the marriages within same gotras can be declared "illegal".

[Deepak Dedha]

UP Couple seeks protection


Faced with alleged threat to their lives from a Khap Panchayat, a newly wed couple from western Uttar Pradesh has approached a Delhi court for protection. They feared they might be killed in the name of family honour.

Sodan (23), who is from Chapnora village in Meerut, married Sobha (22), a resident of neighbhouring village Kunda, on May 10 in Delhi.

The families are opposed to the marriage because they belong to the same mavi gotra (sub-caste) of Gujjar caste. The couple is on the run since May 10. Sobha’s family has lodged a criminal complaint in Falawda police station in Meerut accusing Sodan of kidnapping their minor daughter.

“I am a major. I married Sodan out of my own free will,” Sobha told Additional Sessions Judge Savita Birbal. She also showed her voter identity card, which mentioned she was 22.

She said she wants the court to restrain the UP police from conducting raids on Sodan’s friends, who provided temporary shelter to the couple after they got marries. The couple also wanted the court to direct the Delhi Police to provide them protection.

However, the court declined to grant them any relief, saying it did not have jurisdiction to entertain their plea.

The couple’s counsel, J.P. Bansal, said he would now approach the Delhi High Court to save the couple from Khap Panchayat.

[ravikasana]

Gurjar‘s Khap Panchayat on Intercast marriage & on same Gotra Marriages :

Bhai Deepak thats been great that u have initiate this sensitive issue that has been start prevailing in our community too...so in my views i would say this Khap Panchayat are doing their best ..coz ppl who dont have any emotion & respect towards their community & do indulge in such evil i.e. same Gotra marriage such demon people only shud get horrified from these Khap Panchayat only otherwise such evil crime's graph shud start touching the sky which is a black mole for us all...people who doing so are not only spoiling our community's heritage but also the terms of relation that we have been following since this world came into existence ....so those bloody bastard people who do such things should be fired & they shud be hang till death....

Also some times it happens when the Panch tryies to imposed a innocent people & his family as the victim & it happens only when we choose wrong people as a Panch in Khep Panchayat who take wrong decisions just because to take their personal revenge from the victims...& also the village people too get do their han mein han ..at that point of time the decisions that taken by these Khep Panchayat goes in wrong way & without any reason it plays with the life of an innocent peoples...

Let me explain it with some example .. A few Days before i have read an article that written by Mr. Satyaveer Nagar in Hindustan on dated 14th may 2010 that shows how some time these Khep Panchayat do wrong & meaning less decisions that makes life of an individual a real hell....

Dadri ke Gaon Chithera mein Baisla Gotra ke yuvak ko Bishnoli Gaon ki Bhati Gotra ki yuvti se vivah karne se issliye roka ja raha tha ke Chithara Bhati Bahumulya Gaon han or yahan aisa pehle kabhi nahi hua or yeh Baisla parivaar yahan kariban 10 saal Pehle aakar basa tha....to dosto jahan tak mein samajhta inki shadi mein koi shamashya nahi honi chahiye kyonki ladka or ladki dono alag Gotra se han...isse koi fark nahi padhta ke jis gaon mein aap reh rahe ho wo wohi ho jisse ke ladka ye ladki ho...isme galat tab hota agar yeh shadi same gotro mein hoti per aisa kuch nahi han ...to fir Khap Panchayat ko isme kiya problem han ..yah to Panchayat ke log uss Baisla Parivaar se Dushmani nikaal rahe han kyonki wo wahan bahar se aakar basa han ya fir apni nizi dushmani ke karan wo sab aisa kar rahe han...to Bhaiyo iss tarah ke case ko sunkar lagta han ke humari yeh Khep Panchayat kabhi kabhi Galat decison de deti han jo ki unki personal dushmani or irshya bhara hua hota han.....
Per over all mein aap Bhai logo se yehi kahunga ke Khap Panchayat ka hona jarruri han agar hume apne Gurjar Samaj ke maan ki rakshya karni han or agar isse khatam hone se bachana han …
Now these days our Brothers & Sisters are more focused towards getting married in other cast ,it is very painful to me atleast .Personally I request all the elders & youngsters please don’t spoil the purity of the genes as they are the greatest among the world. Marry in Gujjars of any religion as the only the Gujjars is the cast which is above the religion…so please don’t marry in others…
So in order to eliminate such evil from the roots which are spoiling the heritage of our community these Khep Panchayat are as much necessary as any other Judicial services & we must have to promote these Khap Panchayats…


Note: Bhaiyo humari community ke andar bhi kuch aise MAHANUBHAV Gujjar Bhai han jo apne apko kuch jyada hi advance or apne aapko kuch jyada hi padha likha samajhne lage han ...or aise bhai log hum jasie thinking rakhne walo ko anpad or Backward Samajhte han..But in real sense wo khud hi dimaag se pedal hote han ..kyonki unhe apne Purwajo ke Maan or Samman or humari Samaaj mein jo ab tak Riti Rewaaj chalte aye han unko wo chaknachoor karne mein lage hue han ...aise logo ke mind mein Bhai -Bhen ke relation ki koi ahmiyat nahi hoti tabhi wo same gotra marriage ko promote karne ke liye kehte han. .....aaj se hazaro saal pehle hi mahan vidhwan Rishi Muniyo ne bhi alag alag vedo...or Ramayan jaise adhyatmik pushtako mein bhi ek Gotra mein vivah karne ko bahut bada paap bataya han ..or jo insaan aisa paap mein sanglagan hota han wo kabhi bhi apne iss paap se mukta nahi ho sakta han... ...aise insaan apne aap ko bhagwaan se bhi uper samajhte han ...aise logi ke mind mein paschimi sabhyata ki taraf rujhaan kuch jyada hi rehta han...They dont even know what the meaning of Royality named "Gurjar"or yehi karan han ke wo aise logo ko Samaaj ki maan or Maryada se kuch nahi lena hota wo to sirf apni saari jindagi pachim pachim karte hue iss duniya se ruksat ho jaate or unhe kuch nahi milta......Mujhe aise logo ki Budhi per Manoj kumar ki ek film Yadgaar ka dialogue baar baar yaad aa raha han ke ”WAH RE KALYUG KIYA KEHNE TERE"

Jai Gurjar Jai Bharat

Regards
Ravi Kasana
Btec-Mechanical & MBA in International Bussiness
Village & post -Jawli ,Ghaziabad
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[Gujjar]

Is it not better to marry in same gotra than you marry outside from your caste.Gujjars always proud that Gujjars not get any kind of favours from Mughals or British empire as they not made marring relations to them.But Smithar family is now in relations with other families.Time has changed we have to promote intercaste marriges.It does not matter that the other person you are going to marry is of your subcaste. Atleast its better than marrying outside.Only and only your sister is your sister and only your brother is your brother. It is a natural fact. You have to accept it othrwise you will see outside marriages on promotion among your community.

[Deepak Dedha]

I agree with you.

Marrying within the gotra is a Sin. Its like marrying to our own brothers/sisters which is completely not acceptable. It is as simple as that--same gotra denotes its our own family.

Khap Panchayats are right, their demand is correct and the necessary amendments should be made in Hindu Marriage Act, if possible. Though no one has the right to kill someone.

Those who had done this mistake of marrying within Gotras(referring to all communities) are simply un-educated in terms of their ancestory, history etc.

In the first place how big fools are these so called lovers, who for their mistakes get media sympathy instead of getting educated or made realised of their mistake. Love doesn't happens in seconds....pyaar ka matlab ye bhi nahi ki tum ye hi naa jan ne ki koshish karo saamne wala tumhara bhai/bahan bhi ho sakta hai. Some cases that have happened in Jaat community is an example of that. A 11th standard boy of same gotra(gehlot) wants to marry 9th standard girl; its just stupid. Kitne bade ho gaye hai wo in cheejo ko samjhne ke liye.

We have our own culture, our rich tradition still exists. Good thing is that unlike other communities, we know our family trees, our ancestory. We have "bhaats", who keep information of our family tree. Other communities who don't have the knowledge and importance about Gotras would always criticize us and the khap panchayats. They are not sure about their existence, their family trees or may be they fail to find the logic behind gotras.

That may be the reason why a journalist when asked by MP Naveen Jindal, "Will she marrry within her Gotra"? She replied she would, she didn't care abt the same gotra. Just like a Doctor doesn't know accountancy, same way that journalist may be an educated person, but she is uneducated in terms of cultural value. A degree is of no significance unless you have the values.

Its upto our young guns to preserve our culture. Teaching and encouraging our people about it would be helpful.

[Gujjar]

It is a very important and sensitive issue we must have to discuss it after than the others will come to know that what is thinking of educated people about this issue.It will help them to take decission in this matter.

[AP Singh]

1. Gujjars have ruled over the complete Aryavrat for more than 700 years during last millennium. The two of the the largest and longest Empires of Aryavrat during this period , i,e, the Gujjar Kushans and the Gujjar Pratihars belonged to them.
During both of these Empires the intercaste marriages and the same Gotra marriages were prohibited. Avoiding six Gotras were considered ideal. ( Ref: Ancient History of India by Mr. VD Mahajan).

2. The Gujjars used to worship their ancestors and even today small shrine of the Devtas ( family Gods who were ancestors) are found everywhere, whereever Gujjars are settled. The Jats share a common heritage with Gujjars and thus share the same culture. That is the reason the Gujjar Kushans called themselves as Devputras, i,e,. the son of God in all of their inscriptions.

3. During Gujjars Kushan Empire, many Shakas were also made as fuedatory chief of Gujjar Kushans. They used to eat cows as per the records translated by Dr. T. Borrow from Kharosti inscriptions. That culture was different than Gujjars and Jats and thus certainly did not belong to them.

4. During Gujjar Pratihar Empire, the Emperors never used to drink wine, but in other cultures like in Kashmir, where Shankarvarman built his own kingdom using women and wine both. His aunt ( the sister of his father), belonged to kalwar tribe ( karal, who makes wine) and she seduced the last king of Utpal dynasty and later her own brothers occupied the throne. Shankarvarman became a Gujjar adversary, probably at a time when Mahendrapaladeva, the Gujjar Pratihar Emperor was away in Dhaka conquering new regions.

5. During Mughal Empire, Akbar married the sister of Babar ( The sister of his own grandfather), who was earlier married to Bahram Khan. He sent Behram Khan to Haj pilgrimage and put his wife , the sister of Babar, in his own Haram.

6. Dahir a Brahmin, whose father Chach occupied the throne of his master by treason, married his own real sister and that iis a strong evidence that he belonged to a different culture.

7. Many of Rashtrakut rulers have married their own cousin sisters, that is the daughter of their own real maternal uncles. This practice is still followed in parts of Maharashtra and South India. The Gujjars living in those areas strictly avoid the same Gotra marriages.

8. Krishna lived with Radha without marriage and the same point is being put forward to allow live in relationship among Hindus today. Krishana also helped to marry his real sister Subhadra to his real cousin brother Arjun. Yudisthir lost not only his own wife but also the wife shared by his other four brothers, in the gamble. In different words he compromised the honour of his own wife for material gains and hence he belonged to a different culture than that of Aryans who belonged to Ramayana era.

The Gujjars are siad to be the descendent of lord Ram. This fact is recorded in many historical epigrahs including Gwalior inscription of Gujjar Samrat Mihir Bhoja Mahan. In Ramayana, to save the honour of his wife, lord Ram has put every thing at stake including his life which is completely in contrast to the culture of Mahbharata.Suparnkha, the sister of Brahmin Ravana tried her best to seduce his younger brother Laxmana for marriage but Laxmana did not allow her advances. Whereas in Mahbharata Kunti and her sons did not leave any such chance of misssing such opportunity. Hence Aryans of Ramayana and Aryans of Mahabharat were entirely two cultures. It is said that none of her three sons belonged to her husband Pandu.

Hence in India we are living togehter with so many different
cultures. To live united in diversity,we should respect the cultures of each others. Similarly we expect others also to respect our culture and should not try to preach us. We are not stopping that mediaperson, if she marries her own maternal or paternal uncle since her culture may allow her to do so. Also the people of Communities where same Gotra marriages are not allowed, should not overreact to these media-people since they are performing their own job and ceratinly not been asking such questions in their personal capacities.

[Gujjar]

I think Mr. A.P.Singh is absolutelt right about that we have to respect other's traditions. Its on their own how they treat this kind of matters and surely its their personal matter no ome have to teach them about what they have to do.
I think rashtrakuts were also Gujjars. They were out from Gujjar community only because of inter gotra marriages because their enemy level and using kind of words in real shows that thet must be very close to Gujjars. Dushman vohi banta hay jo kabhi aap ka dost hota hai. What you say Mr. A.P.Singh with request.

[AP Singh]

May 26, 2010 16:52:12 GMT 5.5 @Gujjar said:

I think rashtrakuts were also Gujjars. They were out from Gujjar community only because of inter gotra marriages because their enemy level and using kind of words in real shows that thet must be very close to Gujjars. Dushman vohi banta hay jo kabhi aap ka dost hota hai. What you say Mr. A.P.Singh with request.

This is your personal opinion and I can not comment anything about it. Like you and your brother may be same to others but are completely different individuals. You can get not get job based on his qualification.

Some of the Gujjar kingdoms were defeated by the Hunas in the north. Solankis were one of them and when Gujjars moved to south, these territories were ruled by Chedis, considered to be the same as Rashtrakutas. The Gujjar won over these territories and made them as their vassals.

Rasstrakutas were the fuedatories of Gujjar Solankis but later when Arabs conquered Sindh, someone from them ( Rashtrakuts) conatacted Arabs to invade and Gujjars were uprooted from many of their kingdoms by this combined force of Arabs and Rashtrakutas. Al-Beruni has recorded this fact in his works. Nagabhatta-I of Pratihar clan of Gujjars rose to the occassion and defeated the Arabs with the help of confederacy of other Gujjar clans, which was formed at Arbuda ( Abu Parvat) Mountain with other Gujjars clans of Solankis,Chauhans and Parmars etc.etc.

In that case Arabs became the bigger adversaries of Gujjars and Rashtrakuts were only an ally of them. What you say about it Mr. Gujjar?

[Ashok Harsana]

The Rashtrakutas (also knows as Marathas or Maharashtra-kutas)... were from yadav community.. yadavs and Gujjars share a same origin in ancient times...but in medieval Indian times (During pratihar rule) yadavs were a very differently established community.

Earlier they were known as yadavs only but once they rose to the level of Samrat, they quit calling themselves as yadavs and took the antique title of Rashtrakut.

for other views u may refer to wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Rashtrakuta_Dynasty


Vamsha(genealogy)

With regards to their vamsha (whether they belonged to Surya Vamsha (solar lineage) or Chandra Vamsha (lunar lineage), Rashtrakuta inscriptions remained silent on the issue, until about 860. Some 75 inscriptions have been found thereafter in the Deccan and Gujarat which speak about their vamsha. Of these, only 8 lay claim that they belonged to the Yadava line. While one inscription of 860 claims that King Dantidurga was born to the Yadava Satyaki, 1800 coins of King Krishna I (772), his successor calls him Parama Mahesvara indicating his solar lineage origin and Shaiva faith.[32] An inscription of King Govinda III (808) mentions "by the birth of this virtuous king, the Rashtrakuta dynasty became invincible just as the Yadava dynasty by the birth of Lord Krishna". This is considered only a comparative statement.[33] Only a few records attest to a possible Yadava connection and even the descendants of the Rashtrakutas such as the Gahadavalas of Kanauj, Rathors of Rajasthan claim to be from Surya Vamsha (solar lineage), a sure sign the Rashtrakutas belonged to the Surya Vamsha.[34] The opinion that the Rashtrakutas did not belong to the Yadava line is supported by another scholar as well.[35]