Should Gurjars have their own Khap-Panchayats?

[Mohammad Malik]

Gujjar Bhaio,

This seems like an issue of Dharam (religion). I hope you all know that Islam allows marriage with everybody except close blood relatives.

Those excluded are:
Brother, brother's sons and daughters, sister, sister's sons and daughters, mother, mother's sisters and brothers, father, father's brothers, sisters sons and daughter's (from other marriages), (your own) son, daughter and their offsprings, brothers and sisters who shared same mothers breast feeding and so on.

There is definitely no mention of Gotra or clan. Except for above mentioned exclusions, Islamic tradition is to marry other close relatives as far as possible. Marriage between cousins is very common. This strengthens the relations between relatives and keeps the clan close together.

I am not sure if our Hindu Gujjar Bratheri can consider adopting rules similar to the above for marriages.

Regards,

Mohammad Malik
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[ARVIND CHECHI]

I am ARVIND CHECHI i belong Village Bhulanan Teh. Safidon Disst. Jind Haryana

I am agree to your decision. thank you very much for interaction with gurjjar family on different issues. this is a good idea ..... carry on. ALL THE BEST
I want to understand here that if there are 05-06 gotra in a village that means as per current things one has to search a boy or a girl leaving his gorta and 12 other. This seems to be very confusing.
It is such a good and powerfull topic so will be never end because i and our gujar's with you.
Better is to avoid.

Regards
ARVIND CHECHI
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[Manoj Padihar]

Rules followed among Gujjars while arranging marriages:

1. The Gotra of Father and mother is to be avoided.

2. The Gotra of Grandmother and maternal grandmother is to be avoided.

3. The girl should not be from the same village, the village of mother, grandmother and maternal grandmother.

There is no rule that in a Bhati dominated village, the Gujjars of other gotras can not marry a Bhati bride. Only thing that will be restriced in this case is that all the Bhatis will not take gifts from the family of the bride since they are considered as brothers.

In the village of the bride after the marriage ceremony is performed, the bridegroom will visit, all the girl married in that village,of his own gotra and also his own village ( irrespective of any caste and creed) to give them gifts in terms of money to show brotherhood.

[Devraj Singh Gurjar]

Deepak ji ,I agree with you. Marrying within the gotra is a Sin. Its like marrying to our own
brothers/sisters which is completely not acceptable. It is as simple as that--same gotra denotes its our own family. Khap Panchayats are right, their demand is correct and the necessary amendments should be made in Hindu Marriage act, if possible. Though no one has the right to kill someone. Those who had done this mistake of marrying within Gotras (referring to all communities) are simply un-educated in terms of their ancestory, history etc.

Regards

Devraj Singh Gurjar
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[Bhuvnesh Pratap Singh]

.) Sabhi Gujjar bhaiyon ko Ram Ram

ek hi gotra main shadi karna samajik & scientific dono hi karano se uchit nahi hai.

"Gotra" word "GOT" se baa hai.. vedic kaal se jab se manushya ne samooh banakar rahna suru kiya to ek hi pariwar ke logo ko GOT kaha jata tha iska dusra matlab KUL hota hai.. or us pariwar ki sabhi cows ek hi jagah badhi jati thi jise "GOTRA" kahte the . ... yani ek hi gotra se food or poshan wane wale log... ek gotra k purwaj ek hi hain chahe wo koi bhi gotra ho... ek gotra main hamesha ek jaise gene honge chahe koi KASANA kashmir ka ho ya Kanyakumari ka usmain wahi gene honge jo ki dusare main hai.. jab hum dusare gotra main shadi karte hain to hamare gene or dusare gotra k gene se ek naya gene formation hota hai or usame koi disorder ho iska sirk 3% chance hota hai ,,,, but agar hum ek hi gotra main shakdi karte hain to iska matlab hai ki hum apne hi gene k sath milkar ek gene formation karte hain isase kya hota hai ki .... jo disorder hamare gene main hai wo to hamare pas hain hi but jo gene femain main hai or corrupted hain wo bhi pop-up ho jate hain.. kyoki female genetic disorders ki sirf Vahak hoti hain .. to agar hum ek hi gotra main shadi karein to jo female child paida hoga wo ho sakta hai ki thik ho but jo boy child hoga usake viklang/ ya koi or genetic bimari hone k chancec 90% se jya da hote hain .

isliye main ye manta hu ki KHAP's ka ye farman bilkul sahi hai ki shadi ek hi gotra main nahi honi chahiye,...... but iska virodh karne k liye unhone jo rasta chuna hai wo galat hai.... humein chahiye ki apne children ko good moral values de & unko batayein ki hamare treditions kitne rich & high hain. achche sanskar hi iska ekmatra vikalp hai .. bal k prayog se kuch nahi hoga... every action has a equel & opposite reaction .

Dhanyavad.

Bhuvnesh Pratap Singh "Doyala"
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[AVTAR BHATI]

Bhai Ravi,

Aap ne jo bhi yeh awaj uthai hai aaj Gurjar Samaj ke liye -- yeh awaz thodi der se uthi hai Chithera Gaon ke case se pehle bhi ishi tarah ke kai mamle samne aaye the par voh itna tuul nahi pakad sake jitna Chithera gaon ka hua,,,,,

Is tarah ke mamlo ko aaj hum log - YUVA VARG - hi khatam kar sakta hai,

Iske liye hum sab satha hia

Thnks

AVTAR BHATI
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[kavya rathi]

hi deepak bhai you have taken a good initiative to aware gujjar biradri from the coming storm. The storm which can destroy our community. And we will loss our identity. I mean just think carefully on this topic if these type of marriages will happens in our society then defiantly we will lose our everything like pride, self respect. Come on brothers we should banned the shameful acts. and should give severe punishment to those who doing such things.Now it is happening in jaats after some years it will be happen in our own biradri so do some efforts to stop these types of marriages.

regards

kavya rathi

devli village delhi

[Deepak Dedha]

I think its the right time for Gujjars to join Jaat leaders in their demand to oppose Same-Gotra marriage so that necessary amendments can be made, if possible.

But punishing the people is not the solution; I mean who would you punish in that situation. These type of same gotra marriages are not done with elders' approvals. They are done by eloping. These youths don't have a sense what is right and what is wrong.

Unke pariwar ko punish nahi kiya jaa sakta kyoki unki sehmanti to bilkul nahi rahi hogi. Baat aati hai ab us couple ki....unhe kya sajaa denge....biradari se bahar karnege? Wo to wo waise hi ho chuke honge.....Honour killing.......BILKUL NAHI......We are humans and we have no right to kill anyone for this silly reason.

To solution iska yahi hai ki humare apne logo me itni samajh honi chahiye ki kya sahi hai, kya galat hai. ye chije humare bade- bujurg unhe bata sakte hai.

[Ashok Harsana]

Same Gotra marriage is a SIN..It should be avoided...but in this particular case (Some Guy marrying a girl from BHATI surname, which dominates the village where the Guy lives)..we have to be very cautius as its a very sensetive and complicated issue.

We need to understand everything logically but on the same time the imotional front can not be avoided.

[Deepak Dedha]

Yes, Ashok bhai.
Keeping aside Same-Gotra marriage for a second, the Chitehra village issue is quite sensitive. I think there should be a consensus among our people.

A particular gotra dominated village will find it difficult to accept the girl of the same gotra as a "Bahu" of that village.

I live in Kondli, which is among 24 villages of Dedheys that are mainly located in east delhi; with a couple of villages fall under U.P. Before the urbanisation, fields of Dedheys of Gharoli, Dallupura, Chilla, Kondli and Chauda were adjoined to Awanas of Noida( mainly Jhundpura and Harola/Barola). Since then, both these gotras have been living in a "brotherhood".
Bhai-chare ke taur pe dono gotras ne aapas me shaadiya nahi karwai.

Same thing was among the Naagars of adjoining areas, such as in Khichdi-pur, Hasanpur, Mandawli etc.

Iska ye matlab nahi ki Dedho ne naagro me shaadiya nahi ho rahi hai, lekin haa in gaon ke naagro se nahi.

Lekin ab log ek jagah se dusri jagah jaake bas jaate hai, alag alag gotra ke log e hi area me reh rahe hai, to aise me ye "gotra avoidance" yaha to kaam nahi karta.